sadoldgit

Ah but my question was specificaly about if he hadn't turned it around and we were still in the cr*p league position wise.

Be prepared for incoming!!!!

I am talking about now Ginge, not last year when both were only here a short while.

Yep Charlton passed us by! When mentioning Liverpool I am making the point about relativity. They are in a relative position because their fans expect them to with the league wthis year so currently they are "failing". My heros have nothing to do with SFC mate. Where was the money coming from after the Cup Final? Remember the size of the squad? It is not as if we were struggling for players was it. Perhaps if Starchan had bought better than McCann things might have been different? I should also remind you that much better and more expensive squads than our have been relegated. Relegation had nothing to do with money not spent. It was down to injuries to key players. It was down to Harry buying rubbish and not being bothered. It was down to many things.

Hypothetically speaking, if we were in exactly the same financial predicament and exactly the same situation football-wise and if Leon Crouch was in charge and Nigel Pearson managing the team, would you have demonstrated yesterday?

Perhaps they should all march to the City and find these ellusive investors that Lowe, Wilde and Crouch have all somehow failed to find???

Strachan and Burley didn't do too badly did they? And most clubs managers "fail" in some ways are other. We are not Mancheter United or Chelsea. Listening to Liverpool supporters the other day they see themselves as failing right now and want rid of Rafa...oh to be failing like them!!!!

LOL good point!!! But really, Lowe isn't going anywhere, no one is going to put any money in (if the likes of Salz were going to do so wouldn't they have done it long ago) so apart from pandering to the Citizen Smith brigade, what is the point? As I said earlier, Norwich, Forest and Doncaster fans must be loving this.

If the current energy that is being spent on negativity was put into something positive as you suggest Sid it surely must be a better use of that energy? I do understand the frustration and bitterness but it gets us nowhere other than further in the mire.

I think you have a point Sid. At a time when we need to be pulling together this is not ideal. Negativity breeds negativity.

Damn.......hoisted by my own petard!!!

Rupert doesn't have the money does he, he just has a say in how it is spent but he doesn't have the power and control of a Murdoch.

Ah, then I shall have to move house! What are the prices like down there. Can a humble civel servant find it affordable?

Blimey Ginge, have you been taking patronising lessons from Steve Godwin? You really are very good.

Many years ago I used to work for Times Newspapers (pre Murdoch). The then management decided to take on the unions and closed the paper down for 11 months. We went on a march and had our pictures all over the media, which was nice. The paper eventually reopened and was sold to Murdoch. The move to Wapping followed and the unions wiped out. You can go an all the marches you want but it is the men with the money who call the shots.

Yep, as do other supporters of SFC. I supose in your book that negates any opinion that I have?

No Alpine you are on my ignore list, but still close to my heart xxx Who was infracted???

It will not achieve anything other than make people feel better. As said before, change at the top will only be achieved if someone with a lot of spare dosh turns up and buys the club. All the demonstrations in the world can't deliver three points. which is what we are desparate for right now.

I was never up the pecking order to start with. Just ask the "brothers" on here. They will conform that I am only a plastic fane who rarely goes to games. Dear old Unncle Rupert did speak to me briefly when I attended one of the great escape matches and had a beer and a curry at a local boozer with people from SaintsList. This gathering was also addressed by the great Ted Bates. I was standing by the door, he walked in and said something like " a great three points" and was past me before I realised who it was. Ships that pass in the night... No mate, I am just a sadoldgit who lives his life as a Saints supporter vicarioulsy through an internet chat board.

Anything that could detract from us getting three points cannot be a good thing. Demonstrate all you like, not easy from Austria I grant you, but not during the game.

Sadly me old rodent friend I have only met Rupes for about 15 seconds and Jonah for a couple of hours (although Mark did kindly end me a book about Woodward) so no bed action for me. If I had any sense I would be back in bed with my partner who has decided to stay put today (as it is snowing and bloody freezing) rather than chatting away here! I am not even at the servants table let along the top one!!! I am so low that I am not even considered worthy of being fed bio-grow like the other plants....ho hum....

Otter me old mucker, I have no idea what went on/goes on behind the doors of St Marys and take of pinch of salt what people say here goes/went on (this place has more plants than Kew Gardens!!!). I will judge Wotte on what he does now that JP has gone. If he keeps up safe before the last game of the season I will see that as progress on last year. Hardly a giant leap forward I grant you, but I think that we all knew that this season would be tough whoever the manager was.

So he managed to get at least one shot on target then???

Who knows what kind of role he played before? Yes he was involved but sometimes when you play the second string you have to go along with what the main players are doing. From his comments he obvioulsy realised that JP was too rigid in his thinking and has started to show signs of being his own man. I think we should judge him on what he achieves as manager (or head coach) rather than on what went before. Perhaps we shouldn't have appointed them? Hindsight is a wonderful thing. How many of us were gutted when Strachan was appointed? Let's see what happens...

Norwich have hit some form of late and Swansea are a decent side. A few weeks ago I would have expected us to lose both. At 2-0 down I didn't expect a point at Norwich. At 2-1 down against Swansea the same. With that kind of spirit you can turn draws into wins. If you still feel pessimistic that is your right. I don't, which is mine.