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What difference does it make, it happened and that is the only thing that matters.

If you want the forum to kick off all you have to do is to post that Lowe was the best ever Chairman or Burley the best ever manager.....wink wink

It is easy to take a year of anybody's career and show them as a poor performer. Perhaps you should take it to a decade as running any business cannot be judged over 12 months. Of course that will not fit in with your agenda in trying to show Lowe as some incompetant fool. By any standards, keeping SFC in the Premiership on crowds of 15k was no mean feet. Of course we had an FA Cup final, European football, a new stadium, our best ever Premiership finish....(what have the Roman's ever done for us?). Yes of course the last year was a disaster. With no money to play with most people would have struggled wouldn't they? Certainly clubs like Charlton and Norwch, similar sizes to us, had disasterous years too and Lowe was not their Chairman! So then, good and bad, like many Chairman of many clubs. But why not continue a witch hunt against one bloke if it makes you happy?

Hmmm, top 20? How do define a succesful manager? For us certainly the most successful in my lifetime, carrying on form the excellent work of Ted Bates and taking us to a higher level. People like to put our "demise" down t Lowe but I think it started before that. When Lawrie Mac left we were never te same club again. I thought at the time that Nicholl was not the right person to tae us on and I still think that - but that is for another thread.. Whilst his achievements for us put him in a "great" bracket for us - he never repeated any real level of success elsewhere. When I think of great managers I think of people like Robson, Shankley, Paisley, Nicholson, Ramsey, Clough, Revie (although he didn't do himself any favours managing England)...people with big characters who delivered on certain levels year after year. I think people like Redknapp have a long way to go before they could be considered great, as much as he did a great job at Pompey. Still, whatever, Lawrie put Southampton on the map as a real footballing force for a period of time and gave us, possibly, our best ever team. For that he deserves his after dinner speaking fee and his place as a "great" Southampton manager.

LOL, and I am the stalker!!!!

The point I was trying to make is that, for some, Pearson became a hero by winning 3 matches in 13 (which, lets be honest, is rubbish). Pardew has done the same yet there have been threads suggesting that he should be sacked sometime soon. Of course it is ridiculous judging a manager over 13 games. That was my point. Yet it was done in a postive way for Pearson and a negative way for Pardew. Go figure. I would argue that calling Pearson a "great" manager through what he has acheived thus far with Leicester is a little over the top though. The truth is, is he doesn't get promotion this season or next, he will be sacked in all probability.

She seemed happy enough to flash her trout pout all over the papers when shehad it done. I guess it was only when people made fun of hr that she actually realised how awful it looked! I can understand why some people want surgery to improve their looks, but she wasn't unattractive was she?

Hmmm not so much obsessed as saddened. He is quick to criticise and is the most negative bloke on God's earth as far as I can see. And for someone so ready to fire off an opinion he is very shy when it comes to answering questions. There used to be lots of people worth reading on here but I think that people like Alpine have driven them away. I did have him on ignore for a while but so many people had his posts in their quotes it was impossible to avoid his unpleasant (in my eyes at least) brand of support. It doesn't bother me so much that he actually really seems to hate some people that he has never even met just because they didn't live up to his lofty standards, it is his hypocracy. It is apparent even now. I am supposed to be obsessed yet I am responding to his inability to leave the past behind. Any opportunity to pour scorn on his old adversaries and he is in like lightening. It is so tiresome and no matter how many people pick him up on it (and I am not the only one who takes exception to many of his posts and his unique "style") he just carries on churning out the same old Alpine agenda. Still he seems to have some support on here so I guess I am wasting my time! It would be nice to have a forum where you can exchange views without having his type of comebacks but it looks like those days are long gone.

Get some what? Sorry, I don't know what you are on about.

Thats a bit rich coming from you Alpine. You take every opportunity you can to have a pop at certain former employees of the club. As for feuds, I think you have hurled more abouse at people on here than I have had hot dinners!!! If I symbolise the past as you rather dramatically put it, then I am proud of that. We had some great times (yes even under some of the people you profess to despise) in the past and I hope we have more to come. I for one though will not be slagging off people on here if those other great times do not happen overnight.

Will he take the train picture with him I wonder?

Don't flatter yourself. And I see you avoided answering questions again!

There is a decent debate to be had about the Lowe years but whilst the schoolboys on here continue to debase everything with, "Oh look a Lowe Luvvie" it will never happen I'm afraid. It is possible to have a balanced view about his tenure with being a "luvvie" but that point seems lost on you and your friends. And you really need to go back and read this thread. If you don't think that posts saying get rid of him by Christmas if things haven't improved are not about getting Pardew out at some point, I fail to see what are.

The Chelsea of this league? Since when did they start with -10 points? They can afford the best players in the world. We have bought the (possibly) best striker in the 3rd divison but apart from that have been looking for bargains and loans. We are potentially a big fish in a small pond, but the 3rd division's Chelsea, I would dsipute that at the moment.

Alpine, another question for you. You have made some pretty in depth judgements on here about certain people who you have never met. Tell me, how do you know that our new owner does not posses the personality traits that you castigate others for? If ML is an arrogant drunk can we expect you to spend the next few years posting here every day having a pop at him?

Hmmm Pardew Out. But when. I have also read plenty of other threads where his job security has been questioned but as you say, you read what you want to read. ps that's nice, I have three daughters

Indeed, but our manager spent £1m less and made the play offs. The view is that if you spend a lot of money success naturally follows. I don't think it is an absolute as we can see by Ipswich's plight and the fact that Chelsea are still not Eurpean champions.

Perhaps you would like to scroll up to the top of this thread and read it mate.

I'd like to think not but it won't be easy and it doesn't help that threads were started about Pardew's job prospects a short while ago while he is obviosuly still rebuilding. I don't know what is is about some faction of Saints fans (many on this thread). They actually seem to revel in it when things are not going right. In management terms Pardew has only been here 5 minutes but some are already pulling him apart and seem to be waiting for him to fail so they can pull him apart some more. Same thing happened with Steve Brue when he was at the top with Birmingham and George Burley when he took us into the top 6 (cue with that spend we should have gone up automatically - tell that to the Ipswich fans who have seen the great Roy Keane spend £8m only to be rooted to the bottom). Nowdays if you don't have instant sucess you are instantly branded a failure. Even if you do have success and then things go wrong, the good stuff is forgotten immediately. There is no balance. Short-termism rules as do short memories. The knee jerk reactionaries on here get away with abusing people with a different viewpoint. Constructive criticism tends to be limited to get them out if they don't make me happy immediately. The past is coloured all black and the people who worked for the club were total failures. The saddest thing for me is that I believe tht most of the lurkers who come here to read are probably people who would take the middle, balance ground too, but are afraid to write as they don't fancy the abuse that the likes of Alpine and his Stormtroopers dish out if you dare say anthing postive about certain people who have worked for us in the past, or even now. If Pardew had not one the last three matches this list would be in meltdown and you can bet in a relatively short time frame the new owners would be berated too for spending so little cash. Yes, football is a results driven game, but what some of our fans forget is that is th same for every club and no one, but, no one is going to roll over and lets us tickle their tummys. Every club has the same pressure from the fan's expectations and only a few each season will deliver. That has nothing to do with cash spend but everything to do with getting the best out of everyone involved in the club. If by slagging people off and being negative we could achieve that aim, SFC would be at the top of the Premiership by now!

Are you Alpine in disguise? You have his lack of charm and delivery off to a tee.

You do love a generalisation don't you? Isn't it funny how the people who followed Lowe had exactly the same problems in trying to get investment from exactly the same people? Perhaps they were arrogant too, or just perhaps there are not many people who want to chuck their money away on a football club? Of course you were there on every occasion and know exactly what happened. Just perhaps people were waiting to pick us up for a song after adminsistration? Nothing to do with Lowe? Yes of course we were in the Premiership before he arrived. And we stayed there with crowds of 15K. You are quite happy to lump all the blame for everything that went wrong on his head but not to give him any credit for the things that went right? It is like deabting in the schoolyard. Yes of course things went downhill very quickly after relegation as they did for lots of clubs that Lowe had no involvement in whatsoever.God knows whre the stupid reference to King Canute comes into it. Was he managing Charlton, Norwich or Leeds? Irrespective of the reason we stayed up for so long with so little revune, the simple fact it we DID stay up. And a lot longer than perhaps we shoul have, just maybe due to the prudent handling of what little cash we had. You seem to conveniently forget that we still managed to put out a team with some class players Niemi and Killer could have played in any of the teams above us. And we did it on a tight budget. Many of the players we had then are still playing in the Premiership by the way. Still, I trust that both yourself and Duncan will be pulling the new people to bits in a few years time if we are still graceing the third divsion? Or will it be time to point the King Canute tag at you too? By the way, were you at Cardiff with your Lowe Out banner a few years ago Alpine and Duncan?

Perhaps they have all moved to Austria? Really Alpine, whjat planet do you live on? If they were there you would be slagging tem off for having the nerve to show their faces.

I didn't back any horse. If you ever bothered to read any of my posts you will see that I back SFC. Oh and I see you fallen back on the old chestnut that if you don't go to many games then your opinion does not count. And lastly, I am not crying. Still it is nice to see that informed debate is alive and well on here.

Maybe you are right, or maybe we would have not moved from The Dell and been relgated earlier. Both conjecture. We can only deal in what happened not what ifs. No it wasn't ideal, but we did stay up and compete with crwods of 15k and we did have a relative amount of success. I would argue that if we had replaced McMenemy with an experienced "name" instead of Chris Nichol we would have been in a better position for sometime thereafter but that is just my opinion. LOwe made mistakes. The new people will make mistakes too. It is inevitable. We just expect our people to be perfect.

At the same time we are a different proposition now than the first few weeks of the season. Hopefully we have progressed and are a stronger team. Pardew have been dealing with the problems as you would expect of any manger worth his salt to do and his reward is three wins in a week. Yes we still have a long way to go but I would rather look at our current form as an indictor of our future than our early season form.