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Not all of us.........only Alpine and Fitzhugh Fella!

Not all of us.........only Alpine and Fitzhugh Fella!

According to the AGM JP is responsible for picking the teams and the tactics. Wouldn't it make sense for him to take responsibility for the poor results as well?

According to the AGM JP is responsible for picking the teams and the tactics. Wouldn't it make sense for him to take responsibility for the poor results as well?

I find the whole thing incredibly sad. Like a bunch of kids squabbling in a schoolyard. McMemeny was a legend for what he achieved at SFC as a manager but his behaviour is every bit as pompous and unsavoury as Lowe's now. In fact I would say he has the bigger out of control ego. Crouch is another who neds to look at himself. Wilde probably had the best idea and kept well out of it! As for the "Usual Suspects" from the floor...they seem hellbent on living in the past. Really, does it matter who set up the academy, or about a picture or whether Lowe takes repsonsibility for what happened several years ago now? Someone should explain to Lawrie's wife that that picture was taken over 30 years ago - what is happening now is more important. I expect the "Usual Suspects" all applauded her - what the ****? What has that got to do with SFC and our troubles in 2008? There are two things that are of total importance right now - financial stability and winning some games. Lobbing coins and wittering on about an old photograph might warm the hearts of those who are so hell bent on their agendas re Lowe that that that is as far as they can see, but as he said, he isn;t going anywhere anytime soon... As for certain people saying that Lowe (or anyone esle for that matter) does not have a right to be at the club - what arrogance. Like him or not, like anyone or not, that have as much right to be here as the people putting the questions. What makes me laugh is that the people who prattle on about diversiveness are just as guilty - if not more so - of causing the diversity! Everyone, I mean everyone, needs to grow up and pull together for the sake of the future of SFC. Lowe is right about one thing if nothing else, the team needs total support, whoever is playing.

Thanks for the update. If one or two others go these two might just help put a few more points on the board.

And many buisnesses are now going down the tubes. The music chain Zavvi (who took over from Virgin) are the laters High Street name to go into administration. Clubs like ours are not immune from the economic downturn. Football clubs have been paying ridiculous wages for far too long and many are now going to pay the price.

That's the trouble though. Money was put into the team under various managers. In hindsight we can say that the money could have been better spent, but it makes no difference now. We have what we have along with many other clubs who spent time in the Prem or old 1st Division but didn't have potloads of cash to burn either.

Lowe will not be spent as long as teh financial backers think he is the right man for the job. AS for whether I think he SHOULD step down...I don't think it will make any difference to our plight right now and out of the current bunch available I would stick with Lowe and Cowen unless we ever get our sugar daddy. I am more concerned with JP and his ability to scrape enough points together to avoid relegation. I would love to have a manager here for three solid seasons at least but I don't see Jan showing any signs of learning any lessons about how to win CCC football matches. Our immediate concern is to get points on the board. I think that situation will only change if something is done at the football management level.

It is not about Lowe and his ego though is it? He has gone to the bankers with a plan which they obviously support. I suppose he could have gone to them with a plan to bring in Mourinho and a few class players and they would have told him to go away and lie down in a darkened room. Whatever the fans might think, the only people who matter right now are the people who hold the purse strings.

Probably. All of these so called white knights can't be seen for dust. Lowe was right when he made the comment about putting money into foootball as being akin to burning cash.

A peope wonder why so many football fans hate United????

As ever Alpine, a little ray of sunshine and hope....... .......... but I reckon 6 would be a fair bet.

Whether Lowe's time here is spent or not (and after the vote I doubt that for now) what is the alternative? Neither Wilde nor Crouch have covered themselves in glory and apart from Cowen, who esle is around right now worth a punt?

I agree, what is the alternative? The previous characters hardy covered themselves in glory and whilst it is possible for someome else to come in and steady the ship, without a decent level of wedge it is hard to see how things can be radically different. We need cash in order to get our strikers back of to bring others here. We need cash to sort out the defence. Where is that going to come from???

Come on Steve, With Richard's track record wouldn't you say it was an incredibly stupid thing to do? However he "threw" or "lobbed" the coins he was playing right into Lowe's hands. He has effictively deflected attention away from Lowe and the plight of the club and onto him and his actions. Lowe may have a huge ego, but so does Richard and McMemeney for that matter. We could do with rid of all of these characters and have level headed people with level headed plans here instead of a bunch of melodramatic pantomime characters playing out their rolls whilst the club suffers. Frankly I am sick to death of all of them and their stupid games.

It was a foolish action by a foolish man. Chorley becomes more and more the characature of the "class warrior" from decades ago and has played right into Lowe's hands. It doesn't sound like McMenemy acted brilliantly either. What right does he have to tell anyone that they are not welcome at the club? And what difference does it make if money was wasted on certain players. Every manager we have ever had (including him) has wasted an amount of money on dodgy signings. The issues we have now are beating relegation. To excuse JP as he is a "nice man" is plainly ridiculous. Nice man or not he is the manager and is responsible for the team. Perhaps these issues were covered, but I would want to know what plans Lowe and his team (including JP) have for turning things around from now until the end of the season. All we are talking about today is Chorley and the fact that the meeting was conducted very badly.

To you too Nick. I think we are in for a bumpy ride for the rest of the season but Saints are for life not just for Christmas and we have to take the rough with the smooth (a bit of smooth would not go amiss right now though!)

We didn't become world beaters when we beat Reading the same as the end of the world didn't occur when we lost to Nottingham Forest. Whatever happens on the football pitch at any given time, it is just a game. If people are unable to differentiate between the highs and lows of supporting a medium sized professional football club and the real dramas being played out in people's real lives every day, that is their problem. At least places like these keep them off the streets.

Apologists or realsists? If Crouch and Pearson were at the helm when we nearly went down last year. Realistcally who can say we would not be in exactly the same siuation now, given that we had more experienced players last season? Would the likes of Um Pahars and Alpine be slagging off Crouch and Pearson now or would they be the "apologists"?? At the end of last season things were not better than they are now, but those with certain agendas were peddling their same old mantras. 3 wins in 13 with experienced pros and you reckon he would do better with this squad? Or has your nephew logged on under your name again Steve?

Feel free to provide evidence of Lowe (or anyone) being my deity. The only way you can support your pathetic claims and agenda is to make pointless and pathetic attacks on others. You were a busted flush a long time ago Alpine. You give you support to some based on irrational hatred of others. No surprise then that you pitch up in Austria. I bet your only regret is that you are not there in the 1930's. You would have been right at home at the birth of the Super Race.

Ah Doctor Alpine, perhaps you would like to present your evidence? Persoanlly I think that you and your obsessive hatred of people you have never met and only know anything about through 3rd hand gossip on the internet far more indictive of having personal issues. In Burley's only full season with us he would have taken the team to the play off final if it hadn't have been for some poor penalties. What a dreaful dreadful failure he is. Yet the man you hail as some kind of hero came in and took us t the brink of relegation, but no scorn poured on him? Go figure. And before you state your we were dropping like a stone mantra - Burely's last ten games in charged yielding the same points level as Hoddles first ten games in charge, which was the best start for a Saints manager since the war. But don't let the fact inerfere with your agenda Alpine. You would have us believe that all was lost when Burley was here. It might not have been fantastic but it was certainly better than anything that has happened since.

Spot on. Sheep like Apline swallowed the spin hook line and sinker. What is really sad is that they still keep slagiing off the same old targets when they should be looking at themselves. Take Alpine's agenda for example. Because he has decided that all of our problems are down to Lowe he feels it necessary to slag him of, any any one associated with him, at every opportunity. Woodward and Burley were (and are) legitimate targets because LOwe brought them here. Burley was getting flak from Alpine even when we were chasing the play off spot. Then his agenda kicks in again when he nails his flag to the any one but Lowe brigade. Pearson comes in and winds fewer matcheds than Burley but gets Alpine's total support because a) apparently he is a decent chap and b) Lowe did not bring him in. Because subjectivity needs to be justified Alpine tells us that JP is a decent chap too but because the anti Lowe aganda needs to be fed, we are told that he is failing because of Lowe. Now to the best of my knowledge Alpine has bever met anyone who manages SFC. Certainly not Burley, Pearson or JP. Yet he is able, from his bunker in Austria, to determine that Burley is thoroughly despicable and deserving of being "lumped" but that Pearson and JP are both thoroughly decent types who he would happily have round to Chez Alpine for a slice of Black Forest gateaux on a Sunday afternoon. As far as I know Alpine has never met Lowe, Wilde, Crouch or any of these characters yet he makes statements about them as if he sits in the same board meetings and knows the innermost workings of their minds. I will give him his due though, he is very consistant and will slag off club members whether we are doing well or not. This is the man remember who thjought that Burley was deliberatley sabotaging our efforts to go up!!! Whatever you think of people at the club, be they board members or players, I believe that they do what they believe to be their best for us when they are here. Yes they make mistakes (and are not alone there as the majority of clubs do not achieve any level of success in a season). Yes, other people would do things differently but that does not mean they would do any better. Wilde and Crouch were both given a lot of support on here because a) they were not Lowe and b) they were supporters. Neither managed the expecations of the suporters and Crouch almost presided over relegation. SFC are not alone in having spent time in the top flight and are now struggling in the second tier, look around you. It happens. Lowe and Wilde have not had any influence on these other clubs. Every club has people at the top who are doing what they can they way they think best to get their club back to where the fans expect them to be. Most of these people are failing. It seems the only way that the Alpine brigade can deal with the disppointment of not being Chelsea or Manchester United isn to find targets to shoot at. Consequently Alpine will spend the rest of his days on here slagging off one person or another. What a waste of time and energy. If you do not enjoy the process of supporting a football club, why even bother?

I don't think that "Total Football" has anything to do with it. It is about brininging through your home grown talent. Unfortunately players like Bale and Walcott have gone otherwise it might be a different story - but I don't think anything is wrong with the basic philosophy. What you do need to do though is to blood the youngesters carefully and gradually integrate them into the senior team. Because of the financial plight too much has happened too soon.

I don't think that you does not see the problems. I think that he feels that, with our limited resources, this is the only way forward. It is hard to see where the money is going to come from to sort out the defensive frailties or lack of punch upfront. I don't think McGoldrick will ever be the player we needed him to be at this level. Without significant investment it is hard to see how anything is going to be turned round in the short term.