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I suppose you think that if you repeat it often enough it will become so eh Alpine? The facts would speak otherwise though and three wins in 13 games nearly took us down. Burley was the last decent manager we had and if he was still here I think we would still be in the top half of the table. But you have your opinion and I have mine. And that is all they are. However, given that you stated that you wanted to punch Burley I am surprised that you are giving JP such an easy time. Odd isn't it. One man had the best record here since the war and his is crap and you want to punch him, another has one of the worst records but he is a decent bloke and you would probably let him marry your daughter.

Should have bought him years ago

Lost none of your insufferable arrogance I see then Steve. So after Strachan failed so dreadfully at Coventry would you say he was a huge gamble at the time? As you seem to know more about this than me, what was your take on the appointment of Lawrie Mac after Ted Bates? Bit of a gamble surely? Especially as he took us down. Still like using those rolly eyed thingies I see. So you (or your nephew) haven't grasped the fact that they make you come across like some spotty little 16 year old nerd who actually believes that by using them it makes your arguement more valid. FFS grow up.

"Gamble"? Surely employing any manager is always a gamble? We gambled on Redknapp's nous keeping us up and that failed miserably. That was a short term gamble. This is a long term gamble and I don't think it can be properly judged over a few months. They seem to have a 3 year plan. We will not know whether the "gamble" paid off or not for another two seasons.

There is a suggestion that this is just the start and the the numbers of home grown players in the squad will gradually increase. Perhaps Lowe was ahead of the game all along?

I know some Saints fans who do not post on internet forums and they could not give a t*ss about Rupert Lowe one way of the other. I think the majority of the people only worry about what goes on on the pitch. These places seem to draw in people with agendas.

Bottom half of the table. I did think our home form would be better though and unless that improves we will go down.

You have to have be a special player to play up front without much if any support. If he had someone alongside him he might be better. If you are going to play someone in that role play someone who can play that role effectively. What did Linelker do outside the box? Strikers thrive on the right kind of service. WE are not currently playing the sort of football that will provide goals for a loan striker.

He has every right to sound ****ed off. Palace are not great shakes but when you defend like schoolboys you don't deserve anything out of a game. We didn't look like wanted to score tonight. My mates are Palace fans and said they felt we played the better football, but there was no fire in the last third. Some of their finishing was laughable (thank goodness) as they should have been one up inside the first few seconds and missed good chances later on.

Sadly you are right. Most teams now struggle to get by but for some reason large section of fans at every club think that their team has a divine right to have the best players, play the best football and to be up at the top of the Prem. The people running every club make mistakes but to read here you would think that our Chairman is the only one who does. Despite saying that they detest the spin coming out of the club, they jump on any snippet of information or gossip and spin it for all they are worth themselves. The last administration we had were very poor and left us close to relegation and blew what littel cash we had left. Do they get slated? No. Why? because they are not Rupert Lowe. If you come on here and try and redress the balance the playground mob kick in and start the abuse (Lowe Luvvie?) and any chance of a reasoned debate goes out of the window. Some people need to blame others and that will never change. At least they are getting off the players backs and only aimed their flak at Lowe, who cna take it all day long. These same people slated Burley for sticking with Davis and Davis himself. You watch. If Davis is now sold the same mob will berate Lowe for selling him. As UP would say, you couldn't make it up. Things are not great, but as you say, there are signs of hope. Isn't that why we supoort a football club? Because each week we hope that things are going to get better and that no matter how bad things are now, there is always a tomorrow and a chance of better things to come? The club will always be bigger than individuals. The peopel who come on here and pul it apart are just as much a problem for SFC as the people that they purport are "damaging" the club from within. I know I am not allowed to have an opinion a) because I only go to a couple of matches a year and b) because I don't hate anyone at the club, but I this club has been in my veins since 1966 and I am getting sick and tired of the negative brigade and the mob mentality. There used to a place, in fact there still is, where you could go online and discuss matters related to SFC in a reasonble manner with other like mided fans. It is a shame the same doesn't happen here. It really is not very difficlut to grasp. If people like the Nicks post in response to more knee jerk reactionary posts and try and balance things up, it doesn't mean that they are "Lowe Luvvies", it means that they can see that there are two sides to every arguement and situation. I am in the same boat. I can see that there have been positibves and negatives - as there are in every club - and I get fed up with all this reaction stuff too. It damages the club, it stiffles proper debate and it - not Lowe or who ever is running the club at the time - is what is "divisive" at SFC.

Oh dear Alpine, you do choose your heroes randomly don't you. Of course we were such a success both footballwise and financially under Crouch's control weren't we? And as for you blind allegance to Nigel "Three Wins" Pearson, he actually managed to take us to the brink of relegation. If Lowe had appointed him as manager we know full well you would still be leading the witch hunt on Pearson to this day.

That is your right of course. For me, I cannot see how anyone who professes to love the club would let one man affect that. I guess we shall just have to agree to disgree. I really don't get your point about "take take". What does he take exactly other than flak? If things had been so awful for all his time here maybe I could understand where you were coming from, but it simply has not been. If he had no regard for the supporters why would he even bother? He and his Boards have tried various avenues to provide success for this club. Some worked, some did not. If he was simply out to make money out of the club why would he have employed people like Strachan, Burley , Hoddle and Redknapp - none of them cheap options? Okay, so he is not Mr Nice Guy. We were very lucky in having someone like Ted Bates at the helm for so long, but times have changed. Most clubs have hard nosed businessmen at the helm, and for a reason. If Lowe was not here we would need someone very much like him. We went down the avenue of "fans" running the club and it made things even worse. If you truly care about this club you must learn to put your personal feelings aside and get behind the team. You look down on me because I only go to a few games a season. But at least I am consistant and will go to a few games a season no matter what. For someone who used to go regularly and now does not just because they don't like the bloke who runs things, I am sorry but I just don't get it. I have never once given a second thought to the CEO, Board or Chairman whilst at a match. Perhaps there is something wrong with me Stanley but I just do not understand where you are coming from.

You have lost me here. If someone is damned if they do and damned if they don't, how is that their fault? Be honest, what else could Lowe say. If you have a section of fans wetting themselves because they think the receipts from one game of football are going to change our financial situation overnight, isn't it the right thing to do to put this game into perspective? No doubt if he had said nothing and players had been sold in January you would be slating him for not telling us we were still in the poo. That is not Lowe being divisive it is someone with a mega agenda twisting any situation to have a pop at someone. No doubt now you will dig up a Churchillian quote to the effect of people who don't go to football games every week have no right to have an opinion now... Lowe is running things right now whether you like it or not. If you chose to pick on everything he does that doesn't suite you that is your choice. To call someone divisive when it is you and people like you who are making the situation so is a bit rich. You know who I am but will not reveal your identity to me, again your choice, but a bit cowardly wouldn't you say? If you are who I think you are, you have been a Saints fan long enough to know that Saints fans, in fact all football fans, are divided over a multitude of things that go on at their football clubs. If it is true that Lowe is actullay a divisive figure, doesn't that mean that he has supporters as well as detractors. If he has supporters that means there are people out there who think that he is doing things right does it not? If he was such a bad thing for the club, surely there would be no "divisiveness" as everybody would be against him. However, because you and others have decided amongst yourselves that you know best, you get to set the agenda and carry on this negative vibe which is doing nothing but harm to SFC. What the club needs now is for everyone to get behind it. You seem to have a lot of time for Churchill therefore I am sure that you will remember that Churchill joined forces with Stalin, despite loathing Communism, just to defeat Hitler. If someone were to suggest to you that you start going to matches again and getting behind the whole club, and by doing that it would help us out of this mess, somehow I don't think you would do that would you? I think you would much rather see us struggle so that you can aim more barbs at the bloke who happens to be running the show right now. You have to ask yourself this question, why is it your hatred of one man prevents you from getting behind your club? Lowe is not SFC, never has been, never will be. There are plenty of people who don't even give him a second thought when they go to football matches, and that is the way it should be. It is all about the players on the pitch. If you have lost sight of that and your enjoyment of the game, then I feel very sorry for you. But I would also say that it has nothing to do with Lowe and more to do with your own prejudices and mindsets.

I always find this hating someone you have never even meet most strange. Still it seems that more and more people are interested in what goes on behind the scenes rather than what happens on the pitch (didn't these forums used to be places where people came to exhcnage views on football?) but maybe that is a sign of the times? If, by some miracle, we made it to Wembley this year, I wonder how many people who are boycotting the club because of certain people would stay away? No doubt those same people we all cheering along at Cardiff mind you! We could well end the season mid tbale and stave off aministration, in which case I would say that the people running the club had done well. But still the Usual Suspects will be venting their "hate" propaganda on here. Most strange... We have shown some better form of late and there are real signs that we are turning things around on the pitch..shame that isn't the most important thing on some people's minds when they log on here.

We beat Reading and lo and behold, Alpine manages to start yet another negative thread....... Christ, can't you just enjoy a good win for once?

LOL, he will keep his head down for a few days no doubt. He and the other wrist slitters must be gutted. So the end of the world is postponed a little longer... It is still going to be a long hard season but there is no reason why we can't get some more decent results like this and end up mid table.

Oh dear, we won....you must be gutted.

Can't be arsed to cross swords with you or your nephew and his smiley faces anymore, but I never said we were poor. I think I said we were often average or below and some times poor and that is supported by our empty trophy cabinet and league positions. Perhaps you are on the wrong fans site Steve?

Steve, it is not "ridiculous, irrelevant or lame" at all. These are all similar sized clubs with similar aspirations. Charlton were even held up by those who know on here as being the club we should have been a few seasons ago. It is no accident that we are all where we are. Other simliar sized clubs currrently in the Prem will be where we are in a few years time. This has nothing to do with Lowe, as much as you (and your nephew) may wish to believe it. It is all about the game being controlled by money and the big clubs. No matter who runs this club, unless they are stupid rich they will have faced and will face the same economic constraints that the last boards have. You and many like you told us that anyone than Lowe would be better. Well we went down that road andf they actually made matters worse.

Wes, would this be the same Duncan who quite freely said that he would rather SFC were relegated than Lowe stay in charge? Well, I don't know about you, but I think that speaks more about Duncan's own personal issues with Lowe than it does about his love for SFC. For me, I do not give a toss about who is in control as long as we DON'T get relegated. For goodness sakes, look at the clubs around us. All of them have had some success in the Prem as well as us and they are all in the crapper right now. How many of those other clubs does Rupert Lowe run exactly? I suppose it is Rupert Lowe's fault that Laura got voted off the X Facto last week too? Clubs like us get relegated every season and many struggle to adjuct. It is a fact of life. You can spend all day (as many here do) moaning and bleating on about it being all Lowe's fault and what an awful man he is to do such awful things to our football club.....but it ain't going to change a thing. If Duncan thinks that getting rid of Lowe will suddenly turn everything around he is very naive indeed. I suspect his critisism of Wilde and friends was muted because he used to spend hours telling us that "anyone but Lowe" was better. Well, it wasn't was it?

No they are probably too busy sitting behind their keyboards trying to drag everybody down with them.

The negative brigade might not be killing the club, but they aren't helping the situation either. By all accounts we deserved something out of yesterday's game and the crowd were supportive, but I come on here to read about that and just find the usual supsects on their usual witch hunt. Not one of the people who join this witch club have a club how to run a football club, but they would have us belive that they know best. I am not happy about the situation either, but I appreciate that times are hard and that we have got to battle through this. We have some decent payers and there is no reason why we can't stay up if everyone pulls together. Sadly many people will not be happy until the club actually falls apart (I can't believe that some postes on here actually wanted us to lose yesterday - go figure).

Storm in a thimble. Are we talking about the same Harry Redkanpp who was given £6m to spend to keep us up and who blew in on the likes of Davenport, Bernard and his crocked son? Are we talking about th same Harry Redknapp who threw too many kids into one game to make a point and then publically humiliated them when they lost? Are we talking about he same Harry Redknapp who, when he couldn't sigh Morrison threw his toys out of the prma and said he wouldn't bother looking for another striker? If Lowe has such an all powerful force at St Mary's how come Redknapp called the shots? I also recall the cyber football managers on here telling all and sundry that the old journeyman pros should be got rid of and the the "kids" could do no worse!!! One final thing, let's remember that the "kids" at the time included the likes of Walcott and Bale, Mills and Blackstock. How many of those getting all pious on this thread threw their toys out of the pram when those players left? Bassett has said quite clearly that Redknapp picked the teams, so what is the problem. We got relegated and didn't set the world alight in the following season under Redknapp. What should the people running the club do? Nothing? Don't you think they are entitled to express opinions? If Redkapp had wanted more support he had Woodward to call on (someone who knows something about winning) but we were told that Woodward was not allowed anywhwre near the first team squad. In any business, when things are not going well, don't you pool your resources and look for new ways forward? Not if you're Harry Redknapp (the man who left his "spiritual home" the minute he could see the cash drying up). Still let the witch hunt continue, the masses always feel better when they have people to blame and burn.

There are many different ways to support the club. Just because I don't go to many matches does not make me a hypocrite. I do practice what I preach. I do not come on here and slag off managers or board members ad infinitum. I do not slag off the players. I do not come on here calling for all and sundry to be sacked. I am postive about the club and have supported them in my own way (yes, including going to matches) since 1966. If that makes me a hypocrite in your book I suggest that it is you who has the problem, not I. If you had botherd to read my previous posts I have been saying for some time that any idiot can "support" a club when it is doing well in the Prem. The time for true "support" comes when things are not going well. Do you think people who used to go regualarly but don't know now because of Lowe are helping matters? If it is true that the players do not like to go out on the town because they don't want to face abuse, do you think that helps? Instead of having a pop at me, think about the negative people involved with SFC and what affect they are having on the club.

What on earth are you talking about??? Just because I don't go to many matches (and I am not going to justify myself to you) I can't have an opinion??? I have said before that both the England side and SFC seem to have an issue about playing at home. Both JP and David have made the point about playing at home. I don't think it is a bricks and mortar thing, I think they are talking about the pressure of playing in front of their fans, don't you? I don't have to go to every match to have an opinion about this. How bizarre. Are you Alpine is disguise?