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Didn’t see that coming! Spain should have been one up but missed a similar header. Game on!

I am hoping it might be the keeper’s jersey. It would blind any poor bugger trying to take a shot.

Whilst I agree that it will end (for now) around a table, I don’t think that Putin should get to keep his land grab territory. Perhaps an agreement on neutrality for Ukraine with no NATO membership? Not sure about EU membership though. Putin won’t like it but I don’t see why Ukraine shouldn’t be allowed to join. Feel gutted for Ukraine. It can’t be a great feeling knowing that other nations have a say in your own nation’s destiny - especially if Donald Trump is involved.

Oh, ok then. My wife would probably like one too 😘

I’ve been wading through the various different kinds of PR. It seems like you can bolt on all kinds of extras to any of the systems depending on the requirements of the state? If so, it makes finding something that might get voted in at referendum strait off the bat more difficult. You could also have FPTP and a PR system together! If there were to be a referendum I think finding systems to put on a ballot paper could be a major problem in itself. I guess you could provide several alternatives with a transferable vote do that we ended up with something that would be acceptable to most? I don’t recall countries like Australia and New Zealand changing their electoral systems but they must have found ways of dealing with variations and amendments.

Part of my response was to your post and part was a general comment. My apologies, I should have made that clearer.

No one accused you of it.

Holmes and Watson - either one or the other. As I said on my post, I looking for a normal discussion on the subject. That has nothing to do with being “precious.” If I had a problem with those who don’t agree with me, why would I post links to sites discussing the pros and cons of both systems? The only thing I have made my mind up about at the moment is that FPTP is not a very democratic system. Whether it remains in place or is replaced by something else, I am opened to persuasion. So far all we have had is the usual BS apart from Lighthouse who has made an argument for FPTP. If I am getting “precious” it is because pretty much every time I start a thread the same old twats ignore the subject matter and do their best to derail it. Take a look at the first post after my op about the Tory leadership race. Take a look at the number of laughing emojis after my posts on the Israel thread. You don’t suffer fools gladly, why should I?

My understanding is that most countries use a form of PR? USA, the same champion of democracy that finds it ok to allow a convicted felon to stand for President? Would you like to adopt the US system here? I was hoping we could have a proper discussion about the pros and cons of electoral systems. Perhaps we could have some more contributions about the benefits or otherwise of FPTP and PR? If you just want to use this thread to give me a kicking, there are plenty of other threads where you can do that. Thanks. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/First-past-the-post_voting https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proportional_representation

Another step back towards normal, sensible governance and away from gimmicks and slogans. https://www.housingtoday.co.uk/news/labour-removes-levelling-up-from-department-and-ministerial-titles/5130366.article

What on earth are you prattling on about? I have made it perfectly clear that there is no perfect system but many believe that there are better systems and that this country should have the opportunity to choose which system it would prefer. Is that not a statement supporting democracy? As for calling out someone for not voting in the poll, if you are following the narrative that particular poster follows me around and takes great delight in having a dig at my posts. If you go back and read what I posted I made it clear that he had the perfect right not to disclose his voting preference. I just found it typical of him that he didn’t whereas many others did. In fact most of the usual suspects who stalk my posts didn’t. Again, their choice but for those who like to throw stones, it’s a shame they don’t have the balls to stand by their choices when they take great delight in having a go at mine. You are less of a Holmes and Watson and more of a Mrs Hudson. Pathetic, but welcome to the Baby Reindeers.

Just as long as she doesn’t join our Neighbours instead!

I get laughing emojis when I post about the movement to the far right in Europe - https://www.politico.eu/article/marine-le-pen-national-rally-eu-parliament-far-right-patriots-for-europe/ Right on cue 🙄

I would label George Osborne a clueless twat.

The LibDems have been calling for PR for decades. There are organisations in this country who have been pushing for PR for years. I think you will find that more than one bloke on a football forum are pushing for electoral reform, whether we actually get it or not.

Go and read up about the referendum on PR. It wasn’t actually about PR.

We are providing arms, ammunition and training troops. As I have been told many times when saying Trident is a waste of money, if we send in troops it will trigger WW3. What do you suggest we do?

The real question is what happens next if Russia is seen to benefit from their actions. There are plenty of counties within Putin’s striking distance who are rightly very concerned about what happens next if he gets away with invading Ukraine.

Marine Le Pen’s father was leader of the French National Front. There is a very thin line between the far/hard right politics and fascism. It isn’t all about jackboots and swastikas.

Appeasement worked so well on the past…oh

Looks like Welington has given us the boot. Off to Torino instead?

Just heard that my niece got a 1st at Leeds Uni 🥳 Both my nieces and all three of my daughters have now got 1sts. God knows where they got their brains from. Happy days!

My exact words were “Sunak kept that one quiet.” The only thing I am implying is that he kept that one quiet. I’m not sure how that then becomes the story was suppressed but if that’s your interpretation so be it. Sadly now the whole point of the original article has been lost over a pointless argument. For those interested, this is what it is about. https://amp.theguardian.com/law/article/2024/jul/08/labour-expected-to-drop-challenge-to-icc-over-netanyahu-arrest-warrant

That doesn’t mean that it is a good system or that it can’t be changed. If we believe in democracy then FPTP is clearly not very democratic. I don’t know what the answer is but do believe that an independent body should be commission to look into our electoral system and to make recommendations that should then be put to the country. If FPTP is still the preferred method then at least it is down to the will of the people. It will also be more robust than the previous referendum which was a sham. https://amp.theguardian.com/politics/article/2024/jul/08/disproportionate-uk-election-results-boost-calls-to-ditch-first-past-the-post

Which was my point.