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Back in the 60’s I bought a second hand red and white stripped shirt to kick around in (bear in mind I lived in London). The kid I used to kick around with was also a Saints fan and asked why I was wearing that shirt. I told him it was the nearest thing I could get to a Saints shirt at the time (it had a white neck) but he wouldn’t have it and kept saying it was a Stoke shirt. Things like that matter when you are a kid 😢

It wasn’t and isn’t a part of the EU though. As I said before, a higher court provides protection from the state. Just because we have decent human rights now doesn’t mean that we will in the future. We already have a government that has changed the law here to say that a country is ‘safe’ when others say it isn’t. That in itself should set alarm bells ringing. If, God forbid, Farage and Reform ever came into power, the ECHR would be even more necessary, which is why they want to leave it!

The court is there as a fail safe. It doesn’t matter what is happening today, things could change in the future. We have already seen the Tories breaking laws and lying in Parliament has now become almost commonplace/acceptable. The ECHR don’t sit there twiddling their thumbs, they have plenty of work to do. Ask yourself, why would you want to remove yourself from an institution that our country were instrumental from setting up in the first place? Do we actually need less protection of our human rights? I am immediately suspicious of the motives of any party who want less protection of human rights.

It needs a red collar.

Clearly you do not understand the difference between processing asylum applications abroad and deporting asylum seekers to Africa and leaving them there even if their applications are successful. I shall spell it out for you again if that helps. The reason why so many people are crossing the channel is because the only way they can apply for asylum here is to pitch up on our shores. If there were legal routes available they wouldn’t risk their lives in the channel. These routes could be through our embassies abroad, at the Calais camp, there are plenty of alternatives if there was a will to deal with the issue humanly. The Rwanda plan has absolutely nothing to do with processing claims. It is meant as a deterrent and more so, red meat for the gammons who lap this sort of thing up. If it was meant as a processing centre why are those whose claims would be successful not be allowed back? Can you see the difference yet? You really aren’t on top of this are you?

Surely the more protection that we have against the state the better? It seems that some would prefer to live in a dictatorship. You would think that any organisation that helps prevent the atrocities that were carried out in WW2 and the state infringement on human rights would be seen as a good thing and something to upheld. Unfortunately we currently have a government who believe that you can make a country “safe” just by passing a law saying that it is. I wonder how Batman would feel if he was packed off to Rwanda with no option of coming back if he was seeking asylum here?

Where did I say I wanted to leave NATO? There is no way we would have left NATO if Corbyn had become PM. Back to the ECHR. Are you happy that there is an organisation there to protect you/us against the state?

No I didn’t endlessly campaign for Corbyn. I campaigned against the Tories. I don’t agree with leaving NATO. We are talking about the ECHR. It is there to protect you and I against the state. Do you have a problem with that?

If only everybody in the European “club” acted to uphold human rights at all times, perhaps the club would not need to exist? Perhaps go an educate yourself about why it came about in the first place? I know you probably feel that any court that seeks to uphold human rights is full of lefty lawyers and dangerous socialists, but it is there for a reason, just like NATO and the EU are there for a reason. Would you have us leave the NATO club because we have a means to protect ourselves? Is there nothing in the Reform “contract” that you have a problem with? https://www.libertyhumanrights.org.uk/issue/what-is-the-echr-and-why-does-it-matter/#:~:text=It was drafted in the,repeated%2C and safeguard fundamental rights.

Wouldn’t they find it easier to ship people off to Africa?

The BBC can track down people smugglers, so why can’t the French police despite the money being thrown at them? Perhaps if Sunak was more focussed on the gangs rather than his gimmicky Rwanda “deterrent” the problem wouldn’t have become so out of control? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx77l5ej2yyo.amp

It a typical Tory thing, if something becomes inconvenient, ignore it or change laws to get around it. The rules don’t apply to them, even though the UK was complicate in setting the ECHR in the first place. Like Brexit, it is a Little Englander mindset. We are Great Britain. We can do what we like, when we like, to whom we like. Like our football team, we are living on past glories and have become less relevant and are becoming more of a laughing stock. Like Rishi’s suits.

He could have accused Starmer of many things, but having his strings pulled by some shadowy backroom Labour figures is not one of them. For better or worse he is his own man and whilst it makes sense that he would seek advice from someone like Blair about winning elections, I don’t get the impression that Blair is the power behind the would be throne. The trouble is that we all know that the UK has been worn down over the last 14 years and people seem to want another Blairlike messiah figure to tell us they have a cunning plan and that all will be well. There is no cunning plan and all will not be well for some time. To give Starmer his due, he is not pretending to be something he is not and to offer something that he cannot deliver. What he can offer and deliver is change. Surely to God people don’t want another 5 years of this bunch of mediocre, inept, feckless chancers?

Someone on the radio this morning liken his approach to football as similar to Geoffrey Boycott and Test cricket.

I’m not sure that is the case. He does not know whether he will win or lose but probably thinks that he likely to lose. That is different to placing a bet when you know the outcome is certain. If those placing bets on the date of the election using inside information, that is much worse than betting on yourself to lose when the outcome is down to what happens in the vote.

No doubt those who dismiss what is happening here with laughing emojis and accusations of antisemitism will dismiss this too as just another antisemitic article. https://amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/article/2024/jun/25/starvation-israel-gaza-war

I agree with Kane that this was a better performance than against Denmark, but that was so appallingly bad that even this depressing performance was better. Not much to get excited about apart from Cole Palmer’s cameo. You have to wonder why he left it so long to bring Gordon on too. The team that finished actually showed some gumption so I am expecting the same starting line up on Sunday as tonight ☹️

7 million people worldwide who no longer draw breath due to Covid might think otherwise if they were still here.

I guess it was folk like you who insisted that villages were not quarantined during the Black Death. We were scared because there was something to be scared of. Have you listened to what the people who worked in the hospitals at the time have said? Have you listened to those who lost loved ones or whose loved ones were seriously ill with the condition? You make out like it wasn’t a big deal. It was. Just because a few idiots, the PM included, thought they were above the rules, it doesn’t mean that the rules weren’t needed at the time.

His arrest for illegal immigration brings me great joy. What else can I say? Maybe I need to start a karma thread?

Only if you are Delldays or Donald Trump. Did you inject disinfectant? You post some absolute dribble but this post takes the biscuit.

Depending on your bias I suppose Whitey or how high you were prepared to see the bodies piled up.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/ukraine-ap-russia-kyiv-protesters-b2563458.html https://amp.theguardian.com/global-development/article/2024/jun/16/first-ukraine-pride-march-since-russian-invasion-takes-place-in-kyiv Is this funny too?

You couldn’t make it up, chief illegal immigration rent-a-gob gets arrested for… https://www.standard.co.uk/news/world/tommy-robinson-arrested-canada-immigration-stephen-yaxleylennon-b1166565.html 😂

Some people have already paid for the responses with their lives. As for agreeing, personally I’m waiting for the outcome of the official enquiry which will probably carry a bit more weight than an outburst from Delldays/Batman.