matthieu Posted 23 August, 2009 Share Posted 23 August, 2009 Is he back at Saints as all we seem to do is pass the ball sideways or backwards, unless hoofing it long? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deppo Posted 23 August, 2009 Share Posted 23 August, 2009 No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nineteen Canteen Posted 23 August, 2009 Share Posted 23 August, 2009 Is he back at Saints as all we seem to do is pass the ball sideways or backwards, unless hoofing it long? Try going to games we looked good going forward until usually Lallana tried to play it through a cul-de-sac of Brentford players. I thought we played it from defence when we could and hoofed it when necessary to clear the danger but it was the final ball that was lacking and somewhat ironically a decent sideways cross from the wings would have sufficed. Anyone got Clive's number? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 23 August, 2009 Share Posted 23 August, 2009 Do we still have his eye gym? One of Lowe's greatest jokes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 23 August, 2009 Share Posted 23 August, 2009 Because we have done so well without him haven't we? A winning mentality would not go amiss, but hey ho, let's just take the p*ss shall we? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 23 August, 2009 Share Posted 23 August, 2009 Because we have done so well without him haven't we? A winning mentality would not go amiss, but hey ho, let's just take the p*ss shall we? Sorry, just remind me about how well we did WITH him again? (Not talking about Rugby by the way ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 23 August, 2009 Share Posted 23 August, 2009 Ahh, the famous eye-gym... so all our players could identify the fan they hit with the ball in row z... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 23 August, 2009 Share Posted 23 August, 2009 Ahh, the famous eye-gym... so all our players could identify the fan they hit with the ball in row z... LOL! Everytime I think of it, I think of this...! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan The Flames Posted 23 August, 2009 Share Posted 23 August, 2009 Because we have done so well without him haven't we? A winning mentality would not go amiss, but hey ho, let's just take the p*ss shall we? Because the champions league is littered with rugby coaches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 23 August, 2009 Share Posted 23 August, 2009 Because the champions league is littered with rugby coaches. This is exactly the point. To generate a winning mentality you need someone with credibility to induce a winning mentality. SCW may have written a book and won a world cup in Rugby, but he has zero credibility with professional soccer players - particularly ours at the time, who as HR once commented 'ran the club' rather than him i.e had too much of the Chairman's ear. SCW had no credibility... strange given his persona but true given his sport. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 23 August, 2009 Share Posted 23 August, 2009 Because the champions league is littered with rugby coaches. I believe it is littered with winners. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 23 August, 2009 Share Posted 23 August, 2009 I believe it is littered with winners. Yes, footballing winners. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 23 August, 2009 Share Posted 23 August, 2009 Sorry, just remind me about how well we did WITH him again? (Not talking about Rugby by the way ) Just remind me if he was allowed to do a job here. From what I recall Harry demanded that he stay well away from the 1st team, and we all know how well Harry did for us don't we? Since when was thinking outside the box a crime? It is attitudes like yours that sees us in the third tier of football. Perhaps things would not have worked out with him taking a bigger role, that we shall never know because of small minded attititudes. We finished bottom of the Premiership, it is hard to see how Woodward's imput could have made things any worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 23 August, 2009 Share Posted 23 August, 2009 Yes, footballing winners. Because they are involved in football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 23 August, 2009 Share Posted 23 August, 2009 Because the champions league is littered with rugby coaches. It is littered with people who coach and are good at it. Where is it written that if you coach in one sport you are automatically disqualified from coaching in another? Ever hear of the words "transferrable skills?" Still, we have been a huge success since he left so who needs him eh? LOL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 23 August, 2009 Share Posted 23 August, 2009 Just remind me if he was allowed to do a job here. From what I recall Harry demanded that he stay well away from the 1st team, and we all know how well Harry did for us don't we? Ahem, Redknapp was already here when the decision was made to bring in SCW. So just remind me who decided to proceed with such a ridiculous appointment given the circumstances at the time and the fact that the incumbent manager was never going to be happy with the situation? I wouldn't blame SCW, nor would I blame Redkanpp, and as you yourself ask, why did we go through with such an appointment? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 23 August, 2009 Share Posted 23 August, 2009 Ever since we've spent a fortune on Woodward's state-of-the-art dome training thing we have consistently under-performed - that is an undeniable fact. It is obviously an asset in attracting players to the academy and the club - it gives the right impression. But does it actually help the quality on the pitch at all? The beauty of football is it's simplicity, Brazil have been the best at football since day dot and most of them learned their trade kicking lumps of turd around the back streets of Rio. I think any benefits of the multi-million pound complex could be outweighed by the fact that it sends our pampered, prima-donas out on the pitch at some ****-hole up north with delusions of grandeur. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 23 August, 2009 Share Posted 23 August, 2009 It is littered with people who coach and are good at it. Where is it written that if you coach in one sport you are automatically disqualified from coaching in another? Ever hear of the words "transferrable skills?" Maybe, and I thought SCW might have been able to bring some knowledge in various areas that were transferable, but: a) It was never going to work whilst Redknapp was here. b) It diverted time, resources and money in our first season down which is your best chance of bouncing back, c) It created resentment amongst the playing and coaching staff (particularly when SCW brought in Clifford), d) There's a world of difference between bringing in transferable skills and processes and being appointed Director of Football!!!!! Just like the Revolutionary Coaching Set up last season, it was doomed to be a failure from the off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 23 August, 2009 Share Posted 23 August, 2009 This is exactly the point. To generate a winning mentality you need someone with credibility to induce a winning mentality. SCW may have written a book and won a world cup in Rugby, but he has zero credibility with professional soccer players - particularly ours at the time, who as HR once commented 'ran the club' rather than him i.e had too much of the Chairman's ear. SCW had no credibility... strange given his persona but true given his sport. Not so, SCW had no credibility with HR, who undermined everything that SCW wanted to do. As a decent young footballer himself (though not as good as HR of course) he did have some credibility with players, but dinosaurs tend not to like change and of course like many people resist if they perceive that their job is under threat. SCW could have been good for us, but the timing of his appointment was a joke. Of course the biggest mistake SCW did make was introducing the Brazilian Soccer school **** who has no credibility with anyone other than his own ego (I can't even be bothered to remember his name) Referring the OP's reference to sideways passing, I don't recall SCW ever having been credited with affecting our style of play. I guess therefore that it was simply a hunourous reference to the requirment to pass backwards in rugby and not his influence on our tactics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan The Flames Posted 23 August, 2009 Share Posted 23 August, 2009 It is littered with people who coach and are good at it. Where is it written that if you coach in one sport you are automatically disqualified from coaching in another? Ever hear of the words "transferrable skills?" Still, we have been a huge success since he left so who needs him eh? LOL. Stop with the rhetoric and name me one credible case where a high profile coach from one sport has become sucessful in another (not including across the rugby codes). Of course there are transferible skills but these can not outweigh the specific skills that are required, that most successful football coaches have spent years honing. Chester went down with an american football coach. I was all for CW having a consultants input but Lowe raised his profile too high. Btw it seems harry is doing ok without him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krissyboy31 Posted 23 August, 2009 Share Posted 23 August, 2009 I think SCW could do the sporting director job no problem at all TBF. His expertise is in sports science and sporting and business administration. Remember, although Head Coach for the RFU he did very little in the way of actual coaching and surrounded himself with experts in their particular fields. Wrong team at the wrong time? Definitely, but he could certainly do the job the Frank Arnesen does at Chelsea, no problem at all! The trouble was that when he was here, he wanted to be manager elect and that was never going to work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan The Flames Posted 23 August, 2009 Share Posted 23 August, 2009 Not so, SCW had no credibility with HR, who undermined everything that SCW wanted to do. As a decent young footballer himself (though not as good as HR of course) he did have some credibility with players, but dinosaurs tend not to like change and of course like many people resist if they perceive that their job is under threat. SCW could have been good for us, but the timing of his appointment was a joke. Of course the biggest mistake SCW did make was introducing the Brazilian Soccer school **** who has no credibility with anyone other than his own ego (I can't even be bothered to remember his name) Referring the OP's reference to sideways passing, I don't recall SCW ever having been credited with affecting our style of play. I guess therefore that it was simply a hunourous reference to the requirment to pass backwards in rugby and not his influence on our tactics. Whilst I agree with what your are saying about footballers protecting their teritory, but football over the last few decades has been very undinosaur like to new influences that actually make a difference, diets, training regimes, computer analysis, new recovery techniques etc. Maybe the clifford appointment really was an illustration how out of touch cw was with football or maybe will we see in ten years time that they were both ahead of the times. I really believe that one should replicate the behaviour of winners and there aren't many non-football coaches in the top four with as much influence that cw had at sfc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 23 August, 2009 Share Posted 23 August, 2009 extract from MLT's book on Sir Clive Woodward "The next twist left me gobsmacked. Even allowing for the fact that Saints had turned into a soap opera no one could see this coming. A scriptwriter would have rejected it as totally implausible. Rupert, in all his wisdom, appointed as Technical Director Sir Clive Woodward. That's right, the man who led England to World Cup glory - at rugby. A man with a wealth of experience and knowledge....none of it in football. But look at the context. Relegation had cost the club £50m so it just didn't have the money to make quirky appointments. All the available cash should have been directed at getting us back into the Premier league. Then you bring in extra back room staff and improve the gym. Instead Rupert was star-struck by Sir Clive and by the idea of revolutionising the game. All the values that had served this club so well for so many years were dismissed out of hand as "old football" and he (Lowe) opted instead for Sir Clive and the likes of Simon Clifford who was so far up his own backside that he needed a glass belly button to see out. He came from mighty Gosforth Town, a non-league club that he's pledged to take to the prem within 10 years..... Bringing in Simon Clifford was one of Clive's biggest mistakes. He came in with a big ego and inflated ideas of his own importance , all through making his name from Soccertotts coaching courses. Dealing with hardened experienced pros was totally different. He had no real experience of the game at the top level but talked like he was God's gift. So, you had Sir Clive woodward with all his forward thinking emphasis on sports science sharing an office with Harry Redknapp, a traditional old-fashioned football man. I'd have loved to have been a fly on the wall in that office when they were together". MLT on Harry and Rupert "Rupert is like a city toff full of himself to the point of arrogance while Harry is what Rupert would call "old football". He is down to earth, a man of the people, a bit of a wide boy and a wheeler dealer who knows the game, and I thought it was a very good appointment. We were third from bottom but I was confident he's sort it out. Rupert and Harry were like chalk and cheese and they were never going to hit it off. THE THING ABOUT HARRY IS YOU HAVE TO LET HIM DO THINGS HIS WAY (my capitals). Harry is a law unto himself - but he gets the job done. If he had been allowed to do that, I think he would have kept Saints up. But it was clear that he hated the environment and having to work for Rupert". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 23 August, 2009 Share Posted 23 August, 2009 Definitely, but he could certainly do the job the Frank Arnesen does at Chelsea, no problem at all! As much as I thought SCW could bring something to the party (although not our party at that point in time), I think a comparison with a man of Arnesen's experience (particularly with regards his experience in Holland and his success there) is somewhat pushing it. I saw the potential benefits in regards sports psychology, mental & physical preparation and administration, certainly not the spotting and grooming of younger talent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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