OldNick Posted 7 September, 2009 Share Posted 7 September, 2009 yet agian we kicked to the chapel second half, it hardly lifts our team when it is needed. Where can we find the stats which end we kicked each game to see if there is a pattern and perhaps that little thing may help. We have won 75 games from my reckoning (inc cup games ) at SMS, I t would be good to see the stats of success rate to either end 2nd half. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpturner Posted 7 September, 2009 Share Posted 7 September, 2009 Being in the Itchen stand towards the Chapel end, I quite like it the way it is thanks :-) That aside, don't you think the position of the sun is a contributary factor when they decide which way to kick? Not something they can do much about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gingeletiss Posted 7 September, 2009 Share Posted 7 September, 2009 Now this is a good talking point..........I swear that we always played worse at the Dell, when we played to the Archers in the first half... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 7 September, 2009 Author Share Posted 7 September, 2009 Being in the Itchen stand towards the Chapel end, I quite like it the way it is thanks :-) That aside, don't you think the position of the sun is a contributary factor when they decide which way to kick? Not something they can do much about. well it certainly doesnt seem to have been a factor to help us that often. It may be a nothing idea but I feel we need to change something to get our home form going and something as silly as that may make a small difference. I do know that the debacles v Boro Everton ,Villa ,Leeds, Man u (no shame there )last game in PL where we lost important leads we kicked to the Northam ist half. I think (Im sure it was the case) our best performance was kicking to the Chapel first half v Spurs in the cup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scummer Posted 7 September, 2009 Share Posted 7 September, 2009 Whilst I'd personally prefer we kicked towards the Northam in the second half, since we've been at SMS I believe we've scored a lot more goals at the Chapel end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 7 September, 2009 Author Share Posted 7 September, 2009 Now this is a good talking point..........I swear that we always played worse at the Dell, when we played to the Archers in the first half... the home teams normally kick to theit Kop second half, of course some may say the Chapel is our Kop (lol) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 7 September, 2009 Author Share Posted 7 September, 2009 Whilst I'd personally prefer we kicked towards the Northam in the second half, since we've been at SMS I believe we've scored a lot more goals at the Chapel end.well its a win win.We score in the first half and then the Northam roars the team home second half, and the away teams are not lifted by attacking to their fans Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scummer Posted 7 September, 2009 Share Posted 7 September, 2009 Maybe we do try to kick towards the Northam, but keep losing the toss? We kicked off in the first half on Saturday didn't we? Would indicate we lost the toss. Always said our players were useless tossers......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpturner Posted 7 September, 2009 Share Posted 7 September, 2009 well it certainly doesnt seem to have been a factor to help us that often. It may be a nothing idea but I feel we need to change something to get our home form going and something as silly as that may make a small difference. I do know that the debacles v Boro Everton ,Villa ,Leeds, Man u (no shame there )last game in PL where we lost important leads we kicked to the Northam ist half. I think (Im sure it was the case) our best performance was kicking to the Chapel first half v Spurs in the cup.When we beat Spurs 4-0 in the cup we kicked to the Chapel in the second half didn't we? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70's Mike Posted 7 September, 2009 Share Posted 7 September, 2009 as someone said surely the toss plays a big part in the decision, surprised we do not win more although KD is the only one, not a t*sser Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 7 September, 2009 Author Share Posted 7 September, 2009 When we beat Spurs 4-0 in the cup we kicked to the Chapel in the second half didn't we? I cant remember exactly.ithought we smashed them in the first half, but that is why i put the ?????? These stats may be out a little as I may have missed one or 2 but we have won 75, drawn 60, and lost 49 since we have been at SMS (inc cup). in the last 2 seasons we have only won 16 games at SMS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 7 September, 2009 Author Share Posted 7 September, 2009 Maybe we do try to kick towards the Northam, but keep losing the toss? We kicked off in the first half on Saturday didn't we? Would indicate we lost the toss. Always said our players were useless tossers......... Yep that is fair, but alos shows that the away teams want to kick to their fans.Tells us something again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
treggs23 Posted 7 September, 2009 Share Posted 7 September, 2009 we definitely played towards the Northam first half that day...think it was only 1-0 at half time as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 7 September, 2009 Share Posted 7 September, 2009 Let's not forget that when we run out the tunnel BEFORE the toss Saints are already at the Chapel end. Maybe players just think switching ends is a waste of time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krissyboy31 Posted 7 September, 2009 Share Posted 7 September, 2009 Let's not forget that when we run out the tunnel BEFORE the toss Saints are already at the Chapel end. Maybe players just think switching ends is a waste of time. Yes but WHY run out that way? It ain't compulsory!! I'm sure it's just so KD get's his customary applause from the Northam when he runs out for the 2nd half. IMO you should always (barring gale forced winds) kick towards your kop/popular end in the 2nd half and at the same time, stop the opposition kicking towards their support. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saints triumph Posted 7 September, 2009 Share Posted 7 September, 2009 There was a thread the other day about the lack of atmosphere in the last 20 mins or so of a game. I think the cause id, when Saints are attacking the Northam the end is full volume all of the half. When they attack the chapple end, normally the 2nd half they are a lot quieter, but the chapple don't make up for the shortfall. So in my opinion to get a better atmosphere later in the game lets kick to the Northam 2nd half. Whether that wil improve results I don't know, but it will make for a better atmosphere later in the game. I am sure that if the away team wins the toss they would choose to attack the Northam 2nd half. I am sure I have seen more away goals in the Notham than Saints goals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpturner Posted 7 September, 2009 Share Posted 7 September, 2009 There was a thread the other day about the lack of atmosphere in the last 20 mins or so of a game. I think the cause id, when Saints are attacking the Northam the end is full volume all of the half. When they attack the chapple end, normally the 2nd half they are a lot quieter, but the chapple don't make up for the shortfall. So in my opinion to get a better atmosphere later in the game lets kick to the Northam 2nd half. Whether that wil improve results I don't know, but it will make for a better atmosphere later in the game. I am sure that if the away team wins the toss they would choose to attack the Northam 2nd half. I am sure I have seen more away goals in the Notham than Saints goals.I cannot understand why the atmosphere should be any different depending on which way the team are kicking? Sure, the Northam are noisier than the Chapel, but surely they provide the same volume regardless of which way the team are kicking don't they? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 7 September, 2009 Author Share Posted 7 September, 2009 I cannot understand why the atmosphere should be any different depending on which way the team are kicking? Sure, the Northam are noisier than the Chapel, but surely they provide the same volume regardless of which way the team are kicking don't they? No when you are attacking your end it does create more noise and enthusiasm IMO. We should try it and forget self interest.fans at the Chapel want it as it is because it is better having the team attack their end 2nd half. i want the results to improve and so why not try it a different way? We need things to change for the better and so this should be tried. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpturner Posted 7 September, 2009 Share Posted 7 September, 2009 No when you are attacking your end it does create more noise and enthusiasm IMO. We should try it and forget self interest.fans at the Chapel want it as it is because it is better having the team attack their end 2nd half. i want the results to improve and so why not try it a different way? We need things to change for the better and so this should be tried. LOL - so by implication when the team are attacking the Chapel end the Northam stand don't bother to generate any noise? Buck up you fickle Northamers!! You should be generating an atmosphere regardless of the direction the team are kicking. Maybe kicking towards the Northam in the first half will help us build up those unassailable leads - oh! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilchards Posted 7 September, 2009 Share Posted 7 September, 2009 Never mind at home, why are we so ****e away from home when our fans often out sing anyone? Is it really the atmosphere then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hamster Posted 7 September, 2009 Share Posted 7 September, 2009 (edited) I know that any and every goal is important, but for lifting the team when they need it, for a player it must be more enjoyable to score in the second half when the goal will be more important to the outcome of the game. Surely scoring a late winner you would prefer to celebrate in front of a full stand (The Northam) rather than a half (I'm being generous there) full Chapel or Chapel/Itchen/Slumberland corner. Incidentally, even when the performance is pretty dire, The Northam is usualy the last one for fans to leave earl;y, many in the other stands want to avoid the crowds. This is not a criticism of any group of supporters, merely observations and opinion so please don't jump on me for it. There's only one way to sort this one out imo...... A Poll, let's have a poll; which end should we kick towards in the !st half? Edited 7 September, 2009 by hamster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hamster Posted 7 September, 2009 Share Posted 7 September, 2009 /\ Papa waigo knew instinctively where to go for the warmest welcome didn't he. He didn't hardly acknowledge the rest of us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genk Posted 7 September, 2009 Share Posted 7 September, 2009 I would like to see Saints kick towards to Northam in the second half for two reasons. Firstly, as many have already mentioned, the Northam is much louder so contant onslaughts on the oppositions goal is going to be met with alot of noise which can lift the players further. The second point is that as it is at the moment, the opposition kick towards their fans in the second half. Surely this gives them a bit of a lift. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpturner Posted 7 September, 2009 Share Posted 7 September, 2009 Ther's only one way to sort this oen noput imo......Why did you suddenly switch to a different language? It was just getting interesting. Now only nickh knows what you are on about Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gingeletiss Posted 7 September, 2009 Share Posted 7 September, 2009 Why did you suddenly switch to a different language? It was just getting interesting. Now only nickh knows what you are on about Lol....................:D;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Luke Posted 7 September, 2009 Share Posted 7 September, 2009 I've always thought we should kick to the Northam 2nd Half. Surely someone is ITK regarding this decision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ponty Posted 7 September, 2009 Share Posted 7 September, 2009 We don't always win the toss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krissyboy31 Posted 7 September, 2009 Share Posted 7 September, 2009 We don't always win the toss. We don't always lose it either but we DO always kick towards the Northam first half! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sport_Monkey Posted 7 September, 2009 Share Posted 7 September, 2009 Surely if the support lasts the full 90+ minutes then it should not matter which way the team are kicking?!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 7 September, 2009 Author Share Posted 7 September, 2009 Surely if the support lasts the full 90+ minutes then it should not matter which way the team are kicking?!? i have asked a few professional footballers about this and they say it does make a difference.They dont stop and listen but sense the extra support and it gives them a lift. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 7 September, 2009 Author Share Posted 7 September, 2009 Why did you suddenly switch to a different language? It was just getting interesting. Now only nickh knows what you are on about 'theres only one way to sort this out IMO' It was obvious that is what he said but of course gibberish is not your first language like it is mine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 7 September, 2009 Author Share Posted 7 September, 2009 LOL - so by implication when the team are attacking the Chapel end the Northam stand don't bother to generate any noise? Buck up you fickle Northamers!! You should be generating an atmosphere regardless of the direction the team are kicking. Maybe kicking towards the Northam in the first half will help us build up those unassailable leads - oh!if you close your mind to the concept you dont want to accept it.A Luddite is always a Luddite. It is a simple case of we have not won enough games at SMS. Mainly due to the team lacking guts to win games, but i believe that giving the away side the 2nd half advantage kicking to their support is a mistake. Nothing scientific but a theory Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pugwash Posted 7 September, 2009 Share Posted 7 September, 2009 Let's not forget that when we run out the tunnel BEFORE the toss Saints are already at the Chapel end. Maybe players just think switching ends is a waste of time. Interesting point this, because the changing rooms are the opposite way round, so the Saints players have to cross the corridor to come out on the Chapel side, where there's a big sign over the tunnel saying something like "Home side lines up here". So 'they' must've planned it that way for some reason, I guess? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sport_Monkey Posted 7 September, 2009 Share Posted 7 September, 2009 i have asked a few professional footballers about this and they say it does make a difference.They dont stop and listen but sense the extra support and it gives them a lift. Understandable that it could, should, would does give a lift! But when I used to sit in the Chapel I always used to think we played better in the 2nd half when we kicked towards the Chapel (it may well be the fact that I enjoyed giving lots of greif to the visiting goalie?) Would be good to see the stats though? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpturner Posted 7 September, 2009 Share Posted 7 September, 2009 if you close your mind to the concept you dont want to accept it.A Luddite is always a Luddite. It is a simple case of we have not won enough games at SMS. Mainly due to the team lacking guts to win games, but i believe that giving the away side the 2nd half advantage kicking to their support is a mistake. Nothing scientific but a theoryLuddite?! Moi? I work in 'puters don't you know. I have no problem with new technology, but I don't know what that has to do with the direction in which we kick ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 7 September, 2009 Author Share Posted 7 September, 2009 Understandable that it could, should, would does give a lift! But when I used to sit in the Chapel I always used to think we played better in the 2nd half when we kicked towards the Chapel (it may well be the fact that I enjoyed giving lots of greif to the visiting goalie?) Would be good to see the stats though? If i knew where to find them id try and get them.I went onto soccerbase but that just gives results. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 7 September, 2009 Author Share Posted 7 September, 2009 Luddite?! Moi? I work in 'puters don't you know. I have no problem with new technology, but I don't know what that has to do with the direction in which we kick ;-) No wonder there are so many viruses then! You seem to have closed your mind to the fact that it does not make a difference which way a team attacks. I might get OOHTerry in to give you a kick, i will ask him to kick you in your left leg and so that will make it certin your right leg gets a damned good whack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gingeletiss Posted 7 September, 2009 Share Posted 7 September, 2009 No wonder there are so many viruses then! You seem to have closed your mind to the fact that it does not make a difference which way a team attacks. I might get OOHTerry in to give you a kick, i will ask him to kick you in your left leg and so that will make it certin your right leg gets a damned good whack Lol.........I have a theory, that if your left leg hurts, then hurt the right one, and share the pain.........but that's a matter for Psychanalists... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpturner Posted 7 September, 2009 Share Posted 7 September, 2009 Lol.........I have a theory, that if your left leg hurts, then hurt the right one, and share the pain.........but that's a matter for Psychanalists...Do they specialise in bottoms? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alain Perrin Posted 7 September, 2009 Share Posted 7 September, 2009 The reason Saints always kick off towards the Northam is that, in the first half, when a sunny 3pm kick off, it is harder to see the ball when playing to the Chapel. The sun, setting in the West, shines over the Chapel into the Northam end goal. That's why you'll see defenders and goalies shielding their eyes and, if it is sunny and the opposition win the toss, they'll often switch. The sun is lower, usually below the stands by the second half. It is therefore not going to get in Kelvin's or the defense's eyes. Like Tesco's - every little helps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpturner Posted 7 September, 2009 Share Posted 7 September, 2009 You seem to have closed your mind to the fact that it does not make a difference which way a team attacks. I might get OOHTerry in to give you a kick, i will ask him to kick you in your left leg and so that will make it certin your right leg gets a damned good whackI haven't closed my mind to it, I just think it is a tad simplistic....oh soddit, stop sitting on the fence KP, its utter ****** PS: My leg is out of plaster and I managed 18 holes of golf at the weekend.....so there! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpturner Posted 7 September, 2009 Share Posted 7 September, 2009 The reason Saints always kick off towards the Northam is that, in the first half, when a sunny 3pm kick off, it is harder to see the ball when playing to the Chapel. The sun, setting in the West, shines over the Chapel into the Northam end goal. That's why you'll see defenders and goalies shielding their eyes and, if it is sunny and the opposition win the toss, they'll often switch. The sun is lower, usually below the stands by the second half. It is therefore not going to get in Kelvin's or the defense's eyes. Like Tesco's - every little helps.I do believe that is wot I said right at the top of t'thread ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gingeletiss Posted 7 September, 2009 Share Posted 7 September, 2009 Do they specialise in bottoms? Damn cheap spellchecks..........;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 7 September, 2009 Author Share Posted 7 September, 2009 The reason Saints always kick off towards the Northam is that, in the first half, when a sunny 3pm kick off, it is harder to see the ball when playing to the Chapel. The sun, setting in the West, shines over the Chapel into the Northam end goal. That's why you'll see defenders and goalies shielding their eyes and, if it is sunny and the opposition win the toss, they'll often switch. The sun is lower, usually below the stands by the second half. It is therefore not going to get in Kelvin's or the defense's eyes. Like Tesco's - every little helps.well patently that hasnt made a difference to the opposition. 49 defeats and 60 draws and the sun has probably got us how many goals?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 7 September, 2009 Author Share Posted 7 September, 2009 I haven't closed my mind to it, I just think it is a tad simplistic....oh soddit, stop sitting on the fence KP, its utter ****** PS: My leg is out of plaster and I managed 18 holes of golf at the weekend.....so there!Well if it is such a non issue why worry if they do change ends to kick to in the second half. Im very pleased you are making a speedy recovery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpturner Posted 7 September, 2009 Share Posted 7 September, 2009 Well if it is such a non issue why worry if they do change ends to kick to in the second half. Im very pleased you are making a speedy recovery.Because it is more exciting when they kick our way in the second half - better atmosphere - oh! ...and of course OoohTerryHurlock is able to tell who our attacking players are when then are that much closer (eyesight not up to much). Actually, strike that, even when he can see them he doesn't know who they are. As for the opposition, forget it. When we played Crystal Palace I spent five minutes giving him my extremely valuable opinion on the abilities of Shefki Kuqi - at the end of my lecture he said "Who is shefy koochie?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 7 September, 2009 Author Share Posted 7 September, 2009 Because it is more exciting when they kick our way in the second half - better atmosphere - oh! ...and of course OoohTerryHurlock is able to tell who our attacking players are when then are that much closer (eyesight not up to much). Actually, strike that, even when he can see them he doesn't know who they are. As for the opposition, forget it. When we played Crystal Palace I spent five minutes giving him my extremely valuable opinion on the abilities of Shefki Kuqi - at the end of my lecture he said "Who is shefy koochie?" lol. Iam impressed that you sawany qualities in Kuqi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpturner Posted 7 September, 2009 Share Posted 7 September, 2009 lol. Iam impressed that you sawany qualities in KuqiI never said that I did...assuming I have deciphered that post correctly ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 7 September, 2009 Author Share Posted 7 September, 2009 I never said that I did...assuming I have deciphered that post correctly ;-) I always try and throw 1or 2 mistakes in to really p### you orf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedAndWhite91 Posted 7 September, 2009 Share Posted 7 September, 2009 The first half on Saturday was loud (kicking towards the Northam) whereas the second half was quiet (towards the Chapel). It is important we back the team for 90, and so kicking towards the Northam in the second half would be both wise and beneficial. A good point well made nickh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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