Saint Charlie Posted 1 October, 2009 Share Posted 1 October, 2009 Is it such a good idea to have them situated where they are? Is it a coincidence that we have conceded very important goals at home to Millwall, Brentford and Bristol Rovers when away teams were shooting towards their fans? Is where the away fans are situated a factor? I think it certainly lifts teams when they are attacking towards their own fans, and certainly worked for both Millwall and Rovers, who noticeably improved when they could get their fans involved, it must give players a lift. Solution? I think we should try to kick towards the Northam in the second half. This would negate the effect of the away fans in the second half and also could provide some impetus to us in the same way it has helped the away teams. We often seem to fade as an attacking sense in the second half so maybe this would lift the players when it really counts? Or, move the away fans into a corner. Does this have an affect on matches and possibly results? I know that its players who win matches and something like this is obviously no excuse for results, BUT, it certainly does the away team no harm kicking towards their fans in the second half and Pardew did say he wanted SMS to be more intimidating...maybe its time to think about these things? Or maybe it makes no difference? Thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 1 October, 2009 Share Posted 1 October, 2009 Totally agree that this should be looked at. Some related thoughts on this thread: http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=16778 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 1 October, 2009 Share Posted 1 October, 2009 And this one: http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=16478 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genk Posted 1 October, 2009 Share Posted 1 October, 2009 Easier option is to just change which was we shoot instead of moving the fans. You would honestly think that Pardew or someone at the club would have thought about this factor. I have no idea what we can do about it though as fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Godfather Posted 1 October, 2009 Share Posted 1 October, 2009 They are in the northern because its where the old bill want them to be. Its easy for them to police them in & out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EFM Posted 1 October, 2009 Share Posted 1 October, 2009 I've stated my opinion on this, in despair, ever since SMS opened - that a "home end" where the home vocal support is actually outnumbered by the away support/allocation is f'ing ****e and NOT the home end. Brilliant, we get outnumbered and outsung on occasion in "our" end and are nowhere to be seen on television either. It's complete ****** IMO and we should have the whole of one bloody end. I don't care whether care that is the Northam or The Chapel but it might make us like look and sound like the home team? We get our 2800 full in the Northam, I imagine that might be a significantly larger congregation in our "end" we if had more space than the 3200 away fans do!!!! Rant over for now. Just for now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reggaesaint Posted 2 October, 2009 Share Posted 2 October, 2009 Totally agree, we sit in the Itchen North and we could feel it coming in terms of a late winner for Bristol Rovers. It is so obvious that we need to make the Northam exclusively for home fans. The Rovers, Brentford and Millwall fans were incredibly loud and it lifted their teams. We are gaining very little advantage from playing at home and our home record since moving from the Dell must be one of the worst in the four divisions. This should be a core part of Marcus Liebherrs strategy to make SMS like the Dell was to us for so long...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 2 October, 2009 Share Posted 2 October, 2009 I've stated my opinion on this, in despair, ever since SMS opened - that a "home end" where the home vocal support is actually outnumbered by the away support/allocation is f'ing ****e and NOT the home end. Brilliant, we get outnumbered and outsung on occasion in "our" end and are nowhere to be seen on television either. It's complete ****** IMO and we should have the whole of one bloody end. I don't care whether care that is the Northam or The Chapel but it might make us like look and sound like the home team? We get our 2800 full in the Northam, I imagine that might be a significantly larger congregation in our "end" we if had more space than the 3200 away fans do!!!! Rant over for now. Just for now. So why doesn't everyone just move to The Chapel? But really, there are some key points to overcome 1) That corner is the easiest to get the away fans off to their coaches and avoids them having to walk through the fans from Itchen & Chapel so that's likely the Police 2) They COULD have the Itchen North & Corner, unfortunately the Itchen used to be more expensive for ST sales (so much needed revenue) AND too close to those nice expensive Executive Boxes Sooooo solve the separation issue (there were only about 5 boxes out of fifty in use on Tuesday so it could work until we get back to the PL and sell the boxes out again) It's a great idea to have the one end but OUR fans will ALWAYS want to be close to the Away fans in order to have the craic, so move them to the Itchen and you'll all moan because you're sitting in the middle of the Itchen by all the hospitality crew... It's a no easy win problem, worth a moan but won't happen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGTL Posted 2 October, 2009 Share Posted 2 October, 2009 Been saying for years that we should attack the Northam in the 2nd half. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70's Mike Posted 2 October, 2009 Share Posted 2 October, 2009 So why doesn't everyone just move to The Chapel? But really, there are some key points to overcome 1) That corner is the easiest to get the away fans off to their coaches and avoids them having to walk through the fans from Itchen & Chapel so that's likely the Police 2) They COULD have the Itchen North & Corner, unfortunately the Itchen used to be more expensive for ST sales (so much needed revenue) AND too close to those nice expensive Executive Boxes Sooooo solve the separation issue (there were only about 5 boxes out of fifty in use on Tuesday so it could work until we get back to the PL and sell the boxes out again) It's a great idea to have the one end but OUR fans will ALWAYS want to be close to the Away fans in order to have the craic, so move them to the Itchen and you'll all moan because you're sitting in the middle of the Itchen by all the hospitality crew... It's a no easy win problem, worth a moan but won't happen agreed except for the first sentence the Chapel is for us old boys who have been there and done it, the old "talent" in the block i sit in would have guaranteed 50 OB to themselves. Nothing is going to happen because lets face it we are the only club in the country that i know of that makes its own fans find another way home rather than keeping the away fans back for 10 minutes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 2 October, 2009 Share Posted 2 October, 2009 As I said in the other thread, comebacks like the Leeds 4-3 (not to mention some of the other great sickeners- Cardiff etc) would happen if away teams weren't kicking towards their own fans. The sense of momentum that away supporters provide is palpable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miltonroad Posted 2 October, 2009 Share Posted 2 October, 2009 Is it such a good idea to have them situated where they are? Is it a coincidence that we have conceded very important goals at home to Millwall, Brentford and Bristol Rovers when away teams were shooting towards their fans? Is where the away fans are situated a factor? I think it certainly lifts teams when they are attacking towards their own fans, and certainly worked for both Millwall and Rovers, who noticeably improved when they could get their fans involved, it must give players a lift. Solution? I think we should try to kick towards the Northam in the second half. This would negate the effect of the away fans in the second half and also could provide some impetus to us in the same way it has helped the away teams. We often seem to fade as an attacking sense in the second half so maybe this would lift the players when it really counts? Or, move the away fans into a corner. Does this have an affect on matches and possibly results? I know that its players who win matches and something like this is obviously no excuse for results, BUT, it certainly does the away team no harm kicking towards their fans in the second half and Pardew did say he wanted SMS to be more intimidating...maybe its time to think about these things? Or maybe it makes no difference? Thoughts? 100% agree. I can't understand why we never turn it round and kick towards the Chapel first half (unless we loose the toss every week - are those stats made available?). It can only help the opposition kicking towards their fans in the second half. Surely it's worth a try just once! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 2 October, 2009 Share Posted 2 October, 2009 Phil - I know you said it tongue on cheekily but I suggested in one of the other threads that it would make more sense logically to switch the 'home end' to the Chapel. It keeps the police happy and gives us a complete end for voiciferous home fans. The so called more gentile fans can move from chapel to kingsland or itchen south. Think out of the box folks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 2 October, 2009 Share Posted 2 October, 2009 Oh, and we should rename the chapel to the ted bates stand while we're at it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHAPEL END CHARLIE Posted 2 October, 2009 Share Posted 2 October, 2009 Phil - I know you said it tongue on cheekily but I suggested in one of the other threads that it would make more sense logically to switch the 'home end' to the Chapel. It keeps the police happy and gives us a complete end for voiciferous home fans. The so called more gentile fans can move from chapel to kingsland or itchen south. Think out of the box folks. .... and Jesus wept . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 2 October, 2009 Share Posted 2 October, 2009 .... and Jesus wept . He was illogical too ( if he ever existed that is...) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
South City Si Posted 2 October, 2009 Share Posted 2 October, 2009 The away fans section is fine where it is IF the Itchen corner is open. I ahve spoken to a couple of away fans before and one thought it was 'intimidating' to have 2 sides going at them and drowning them out. As previous said, the old bill will never agree to move the away fans as right next to the coaches. You can't move the Northam 'home end' to the Chapel as you'd never get anyone agree to move there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHAPEL END CHARLIE Posted 2 October, 2009 Share Posted 2 October, 2009 He was illogical too ( if he ever existed that is...) Logic seems to have very little connection with this nonsense 'Groundhog Day' debate we had on here every month since 1792 . How do you purpose to clear us inferior fans out of the Chapel by the way - are we to be ethnically cleansed at gun point ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 2 October, 2009 Share Posted 2 October, 2009 Logic seems to have very little connection with this nonsense 'Groundhog Day' debate we had on here every month since 1792 . How do you purpose to clear us inferior fans out of the Chapel by the way - are we to be ethnically cleansed at gun point ?No but the sense of having a kop end is a sensible one.The home fans get drowned out by the away fans and so home advantage is often lost.I have been calling for a long time for us to have a singing end like the Milton used to be.If we had an end solely with home fans who sing that would lift theteam.Too many times you see the opposition raise their game whne attacking their fans. The other night you could see Kuffor really up for it so he could go and celebratewith his fans . I t is galling and something the club needs to address. I agree that it would be an inconvienence to some already who sit quietly in the Chapel but we need something to rejuvinate the stadium and then perhaps having that fans would not think it does not have an atmosphere.it is just when we relocated it was not organised/thought out properly where the singing end should be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 2 October, 2009 Share Posted 2 October, 2009 Logic seems to have very little connection with this nonsense 'Groundhog Day' debate we had on here every month since 1792 . How do you purpose to clear us inferior fans out of the Chapel by the way - are we to be ethnically cleansed at gun point ? Inferior? I think they're a cut above the rest. Who's calling them inferior? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St. Jason Posted 2 October, 2009 Share Posted 2 October, 2009 Is it such a good idea to have them situated where they are? Is it a coincidence that we have conceded very important goals at home to Millwall, Brentford and Bristol Rovers when away teams were shooting towards their fans? Is where the away fans are situated a factor? I think it certainly lifts teams when they are attacking towards their own fans, and certainly worked for both Millwall and Rovers, who noticeably improved when they could get their fans involved, it must give players a lift. Solution? I think we should try to kick towards the Northam in the second half. This would negate the effect of the away fans in the second half and also could provide some impetus to us in the same way it has helped the away teams. We often seem to fade as an attacking sense in the second half so maybe this would lift the players when it really counts? Or, move the away fans into a corner. Does this have an affect on matches and possibly results? I know that its players who win matches and something like this is obviously no excuse for results, BUT, it certainly does the away team no harm kicking towards their fans in the second half and Pardew did say he wanted SMS to be more intimidating...maybe its time to think about these things? Or maybe it makes no difference? Thoughts? 100% agree mate, been saying this for years. I don't think we need to move the fans we just need to kick towards the northam in the second half. I don't think its a coincidence look over the seasons, Boro, Everton, Villa, Leeds, Brentford, Millwall, Bristol etc etc etc all kicked towards their own fans second half and all pulled back leads!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LA77 Posted 3 October, 2009 Share Posted 3 October, 2009 Isn't it done by a toss of a coin? I remember beattie getting a 2nd half header that beat spurs kicking towards the Northam in the 2nd half. There's been a few games where we've kicked to the northam 2nd half. The reason we've let in late goals and collapsed over the last 5 years is because we've been a total joke as a club. nothing really to do with what end we kick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gigersaint Posted 3 October, 2009 Share Posted 3 October, 2009 What about Kingsland North for away fans? They would still exit the same direction for the coaches mingling with the Northam home fans as they do now and be away from the Exec boxes. The Northam can then be filled with a full end of loud home support and would probably still see a fair share on the other side filling up in the remainder of the Kingsland too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordswoodsaints Posted 3 October, 2009 Share Posted 3 October, 2009 I have sat in the chapel 3 or 4 times this season (cheap for the kids and all that) and the away fans sound superb,they have easily outsung you poncey wannabes in the home section by a long way:-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Turnip Posted 5 October, 2009 Share Posted 5 October, 2009 It's blatantly obvious that splitting the vocal home fans into Northam and Itchen North dilutes the home support. When we were at the Dell the home fans in the Archers, at right angles to the East stand where the away supporters were housed, used to generate a fantastic atmosphere with great banter between fans. Surely it would be possible to put the away fans in the Itchen North and funnel them directly into their coaches at the end of the game. Further more the police would be right next door. With the home fans dominating the Northam end the support would be magnified and would look better on television as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Create an account or sign in to comment
You need to be a member in order to leave a comment
Create an account
Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!
Register a new accountSign in
Already have an account? Sign in here.
Sign In Now