saintstr1 Posted 17 September, 2008 Share Posted 17 September, 2008 I watched Celtic draw 0-0 withh Aalborg and have to say that Marek Saganowski was a star for the Danish side , Playing mostly as the lone striker he gave the celtic defence a torrid time whenever he got the ball. I know he was supposed to be on high wages at Saints but it seems to me loaning out to Aalborg is just plain crazy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dicko Posted 17 September, 2008 Share Posted 17 September, 2008 I'm sure he's gutted. What would you rather do? Play in front of 60,000 in a Champions League match, or 14961 in a Championship match Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_stevo Posted 17 September, 2008 Share Posted 17 September, 2008 hmmm play in CL, or be on the bench watching kids playing badly instead of you. Tough one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintstr1 Posted 17 September, 2008 Author Share Posted 17 September, 2008 I'm sure he's gutted. What would you rather do? Play in front of 60,000 in a Champions League match, or 14961 in a Championship match Agree , I am sure Marek is delighted with the move but my point is it speaks volumes about the way the football hierachy thinks at SMS. I am sure JP would be delighted to have him in the squad had he been allowed to!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madruss Posted 17 September, 2008 Share Posted 17 September, 2008 I just hope he continues to play well for them and they stump up a transfer fee for him. Might be the difference between keeping hold of Llallana or not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arizona Posted 17 September, 2008 Share Posted 17 September, 2008 He was always the striker we should have kept. Last season John managed a massive total of 5 goals in the games Saga wasn't on the pitch. His work rate creates chances for others and prevents defences taking their time and building moves from the back, which pretty much translates scoring more conceding less. We never lost a game Saga started under Pearson. Oh what might have been... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alucard Posted 17 September, 2008 Share Posted 17 September, 2008 He was always the striker we should have kept. Last season John managed a massive total of 5 goals in the games Saga wasn't on the pitch. His work rate creates chances for others and prevents defences taking their time and building moves from the back, which pretty much translates scoring more conceding less. We never lost a game Saga started under Pearson. Oh what might have been... Saga managed a massive total of 3 goals in his 15 starts and 17 sub appearances (probably a similar amount of games as John had without Saga on the pitch). David McGoldrick has 4 goals in 8 appearances this season and theres a lot of people think that isn't good enough. Saga started against Plymouth under Pearson and we lost that game. Under Pearson he scored 1 goal in 10 appearances. Hardly the stuff dreams are made of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arizona Posted 17 September, 2008 Share Posted 17 September, 2008 Saga managed a massive total of 3 goals in his 15 starts and 17 sub appearances (probably a similar amount of games as John had without Saga on the pitch). David McGoldrick has 4 goals in 8 appearances this season and theres a lot of people think that isn't good enough. Saga started against Plymouth under Pearson and we lost that game. Under Pearson he scored 1 goal in 10 appearances. Hardly the stuff dreams are made of. 1. I make it 4 goals - Palace, Preston, Barnsley and Sheff Utd. Which one aren't you counting? Anyway, splitting hairs, not important. 2. Perhaps, but John doesn't treble the strike rate of the striker he is playing along side, or defend from the front. 3. DMG didn't score at all last season. Are you saying he shouldn't be in the side not because of that? 4. 4 in 8 is a very good return for DMG this season, however I don't think he is capable of scoring 20 a season, but Saga is. Defending from the front not his strong poing either. 5. Pearson was appointed about 1 hour before that game, you cannot seriously include that. It even said on the OS, "although Pearson was nominally in charge the team had already been picked and prepared" 7. Many people go on about Saga's tally last season, but nobody except John really excelled. Rasiak got something like 7 goals in 10 games, before Burley realised this was dangerously close to the 19 goals he scored in the first half of the playoff season and dropped him again. BWP pretty much matched Saga's scoring rate and was like a fish up a tree in most other aspects of his game. 8. If you noticed point 6 was missing you really need to get out more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 17 September, 2008 Share Posted 17 September, 2008 Ah the old Saga on loan and plays well trick. Nice juicy contract in January and ....... I have an inkling that it was not so much that we wanted him to go out on loan, more we decided to keep the last man standing when the merry-go-round stopped and we got left with SJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 18 September, 2008 Share Posted 18 September, 2008 Considering the way Stern john played last night, this transfer decision is turning into another Lowe classic... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skintsaint Posted 18 September, 2008 Share Posted 18 September, 2008 Considering the way Stern john played last night, this transfer decision is turning into another Lowe classic... Brilliant... Based on last seasons form we made the correct choice. Hindsight is a wonderful thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madsent Posted 18 September, 2008 Share Posted 18 September, 2008 4. 4 in 8 is a very good return for DMG this season, however I don't think he is capable of scoring 20 a season, but Saga is. Defending from the front not his strong poing either. When did McGoldrick get his 4th goal ? As far as I'm aware, Lallana scored the winner at Derby meaning that McGoldrick hasn't scored in our last 5 league games. It's not as if he's looked like scoring that often either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alucard Posted 18 September, 2008 Share Posted 18 September, 2008 1. I make it 4 goals - Palace, Preston, Barnsley and Sheff Utd. Which one aren't you counting? Anyway, splitting hairs, not important. 2. Perhaps, but John doesn't treble the strike rate of the striker he is playing along side, or defend from the front. 3. DMG didn't score at all last season. Are you saying he shouldn't be in the side not because of that? 4. 4 in 8 is a very good return for DMG this season, however I don't think he is capable of scoring 20 a season, but Saga is. Defending from the front not his strong poing either. 5. Pearson was appointed about 1 hour before that game, you cannot seriously include that. It even said on the OS, "although Pearson was nominally in charge the team had already been picked and prepared" 7. Many people go on about Saga's tally last season, but nobody except John really excelled. Rasiak got something like 7 goals in 10 games, before Burley realised this was dangerously close to the 19 goals he scored in the first half of the playoff season and dropped him again. BWP pretty much matched Saga's scoring rate and was like a fish up a tree in most other aspects of his game. 8. If you noticed point 6 was missing you really need to get out more. 1 Soccerbase says 3 goals Palace, Barnsley, Sheff Utd 2 Agree that John played better with Saga than anybody else but John has scored goals wherever he's played. 3 DMG only started 2 games last season how many did you expect him to score? 4 Why can't he continue scoring at his current rate which would make him a 20 goals a season. Why is Saga a 20 goal a season striker in your opinion when he proved in his only full season he wasn't anywhere near it. 5 Pearson was appointed on 18/02/08 and played Plymouth on 20/02/08. http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/news/?s_year=2008&s_month=2&page_id=131&startfrom=90&startfrom=60&startfrom=30 He was on the sidelines waving his arms around. If we had won the game nobody would have discounted the game from his record. 6 There is no 6 7. As you say nobody apart from John scored many last season so why is everybody criticising our lack of goals this season as something new. Rasiak had 8 goals in 26 appearances. 8 I need to get out more Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintwarwick Posted 18 September, 2008 Share Posted 18 September, 2008 He was always the striker we should have kept. Last season John managed a massive total of 5 goals in the games Saga wasn't on the pitch. His work rate creates chances for others and prevents defences taking their time and building moves from the back, which pretty much translates scoring more conceding less. We never lost a game Saga started under Pearson. Oh what might have been... And we only won one when he started under Pearson, in all we managed to win three games under Pearson and Saga did not start two of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintwarwick Posted 18 September, 2008 Share Posted 18 September, 2008 Considering the way Stern john played last night, this transfer decision is turning into another Lowe classic... He's not been transferred but loaned out, however the banks may have had a say on our willingness to keep him ie reduce the wage bill and we will carry on to back you. Still in your eyes it's all about Lowe destroying the club and not our finances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torres Posted 18 September, 2008 Share Posted 18 September, 2008 Considering the way Stern john played last night, this transfer decision is turning into another Lowe classic... I think somebody else pointed out that you have become a bad parody of yourself earlier this week. They were right. At the end of last season, who would you have rather kept? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 18 September, 2008 Share Posted 18 September, 2008 I think somebody else pointed out that you have become a bad parody of yourself earlier this week. They were right. At the end of last season, who would you have rather kept? I am not in the slightest bit interested in what you have to say. You are about the only person who comes on here solely to knock other posters - I cannot remember seeing a single post about football from you. Anyway, only two more posts from you to come... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenridge Posted 18 September, 2008 Share Posted 18 September, 2008 He's not been transferred but loaned out, however the banks may have had a say on our willingness to keep him ie reduce the wage bill and we will carry on to back you. Still in your eyes it's all about Lowe destroying the club and not our finances. You are hypothesising are you not? It's all very well to make a short term 'financial' decision on a few £K's however if the long term is relegation it's not a very wise decision I'm sure you'll agree. Saga was treated abysmally last year and his few appearances reflected that. He's showed, with the right leadership he's a quality, experienced and proven goalscorer. Attributes we are found so wanting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arizona Posted 18 September, 2008 Share Posted 18 September, 2008 1 Soccerbase says 3 goals Palace, Barnsley, Sheff Utd 2 Agree that John played better with Saga than anybody else but John has scored goals wherever he's played. 3 DMG only started 2 games last season how many did you expect him to score? 4 Why can't he continue scoring at his current rate which would make him a 20 goals a season. Why is Saga a 20 goal a season striker in your opinion when he proved in his only full season he wasn't anywhere near it. 5 Pearson was appointed on 18/02/08 and played Plymouth on 20/02/08. http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/news/?s_year=2008&s_month=2&page_id=131&startfrom=90&startfrom=60&startfrom=30 He was on the sidelines waving his arms around. If we had won the game nobody would have discounted the game from his record. 6 There is no 6 7. As you say nobody apart from John scored many last season so why is everybody criticising our lack of goals this season as something new. Rasiak had 8 goals in 26 appearances. 8 I need to get out more I guess without wanting to go off on more obscure tangents, I just think Saga is the most complete striker we have (had). Last season he struggled to perform and I wont deny I was disappointed with his goal tally. He takes a large share of that, but so do Burley, Dodd and Gorman, as well as the midfield which was so hopelessly uncreative in the majority of games he started. People are saying at the end of last season if you had a choice, everyone would have kept John, not Saga. I wouldn't. Knowing we were implimenting a system with one up front, I'd have kept the striker with the work rate to go it alone, as well as the capability to score goals and defend from the front. I'd say every player bar John, Vignal, Skacel and Davies was poor last season. We had several players like Surman, Rasiak and Saga who, used and motivated correctly, could perform so much better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SOTONS EAST SIDE Posted 18 September, 2008 Share Posted 18 September, 2008 I think SAGA is the only experianced striker that this "TOTAL FOOTBALL" style suits, as has been said before SJ is a more of a holdup type striker,RASIAK is just to slow"NO MOVEMENT", DMG not enough experiance! Ho HUM we are in for a long hard season! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torres Posted 19 September, 2008 Share Posted 19 September, 2008 I am not in the slightest bit interested in what you have to say. You are about the only person who comes on here solely to knock other posters - I cannot remember seeing a single post about football from you. Anyway, only two more posts from you to come... Funny, I was sure I asked you a football question. :confused: So, who would you have kept at the end of last season, Saga or John? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 19 September, 2008 Share Posted 19 September, 2008 I'm sure he's gutted. What would you rather do? Play in front of 60,000 in a Champions League match, or 14961 in a Championship match To be fair, the original poster said nothing about Saga being mad to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L1Minus10 Posted 19 September, 2008 Share Posted 19 September, 2008 When did McGoldrick get his 4th goal ? As far as I'm aware, Lallana scored the winner at Derby meaning that McGoldrick hasn't scored in our last 5 league games. It's not as if he's looked like scoring that often either. Yep, McGoldrick has one league goal this season. Two (including one pen) against Exeter (conference last year) does not a great striker make. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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