Plan B

[JustMike]

Much was made on here of AP and his apparent lack of a "plan b" today the same could also be said of NA. What worked v Tranmere clearly didnt in the 1st half today and yet we didnt change anything until it was too late.

 

Dont get me wrong I rate NA but we clearly need more though against better teams than Tranmere, especially with the players we have.

[BadgerBadger]

Early days yet, happy that NA may still be fathoming out where we're at.

[Andy_Porter]

The no Plan B thing was just a lazy attempt to get at Pardew IMO.

 

I saw the majority of our games under Pardew and can recall plenty of times where he changed things around, sometimes it worked and sometimes it didn't.

 

I'm sure it will be the same under Adkins, I didn't go today but it sounded like we where just beaten by a better team. No team wins everygame and not every loss/draw is a terrible result or someone's fault.

 

Still confident that we will go up automatically, just need to get our goalscoring touch back.

[simo]

I hate his music its crap !

[doddisalegend]

The no Plan B thing was just a lazy attempt to get at Pardew IMO.

 

I saw the majority of our games under Pardew and can recall plenty of times where he changed things around, sometimes it worked and sometimes it didn't.

 

I'm sure it will be the same under Adkins, I didn't go today but it sounded like we where just beaten by a better team. No team wins everygame and not every loss/draw is a terrible result or someone's fault.

 

Still confident that we will go up automatically, just need to get our goalscoring touch back.

 

Yep that about sums it up.

 

Listening to the radio we tried to change it today but left it to late IMO. We might have been better off making changes at half time as it was clear that things had gone badly wrong in the first 45mins. We might have caught Hudders out straight after the re-start with some changes.

[JustMike]

Yep that about sums it up.

 

Listening to the radio we tried to change it today but left it to late IMO. We might have been better off making changes at half time as it was clear that things had gone badly wrong in the first 45mins. We might have caught Hudders out straight after the re-start with some changes.

 

yep same here, listening on radio sounded as though we needed to change after 20 mins!

[Dalek2003]

Since 2004 we have been struck in the same groove. Groundhog day or the next twist in the LOST script anyone ?

[Badger]

In truth very few managers now are able to change tactics in that fashion during a game.It is the same critiscism levied at the last three England managers as well.

[chocco boxo]

overpaid 3rd division players with very comfortable lifestyles, only perform when they can be bothered and can not relate to us fans who make 600 miles plus day trips to see them under acheive!

[scott_saints]

Team loses a game without manager making changes= Manager gets abused for "no plan b"

Team loses a game with manger making changes-= Manager gets abused for making the wrong changes

 

Team wins a game without manager making changes= Manager gets credit

Team wins a game with manager making changes= Manager gets credit

[Saint Fan CaM]

It's not just about Adkins - you would think that the experience that Davis and Fonte have gained would tell them that when passing out from the back every-time is not working, it is time to change the tactic....take responsibility and change. If Adkins has told them "do not change under any circumstances" then he is wrong to do this IMO - players need to be able to make decisions to react to the opposing teams tactics.

 

There is one real problem we have suffered this season since AP left and it's name is Rickie Lambert. For whatever reason he is not the same player as last season and the Manager's insistence in starting Lambert every match is turning him into a slight liability rather the goal machine that he was last season. This is a hurdle that needs to be overcome urgently and perhaps his head injury today might force NA's hand next week by playing Barnard and Guly or Bignoll upfront. Adkins also needs to understand which midfield combination works to achieve a win under different conditions. When all these things are sorted we might just stand a chance of some success this season.

[brmbrm]

It's not just about Adkins - you would think that the experience that Davis and Fonte have gained would tell them that when passing out from the back every-time is not working, it is time to change the tactic....take responsibility and change. If Adkins has told them "do not change under any circumstances" then he is wrong to do this IMO - players need to be able to make decisions to react to the opposing teams tactics.

 

There is one real problem we have suffered this season since AP left and it's name is Rickie Lambert. For whatever reason he is not the same player as last season and the Manager's insistence in starting Lambert every match is turning him into a slight liability rather the goal machine that he was last season. This is a hurdle that needs to be overcome urgently and perhaps his head injury today might force NA's hand next week by playing Barnard and Guly or Bignoll upfront. Adkins also needs to understand which midfield combination works to achieve a win under different conditions. When all these things are sorted we might just stand a chance of some success this season.

 

We were suffering this problem before AP left. He's lost his form this season and why? I dunno, but the best ting to do is to play him thorugh it (or send him someowhere hot and sunny for a week)

[JustMike]

Team loses a game without manager making changes= Manager gets abused for "no plan b"

Team loses a game with manger making changes-= Manager gets abused for making the wrong changes

 

Team wins a game without manager making changes= Manager gets credit

Team wins a game with manager making changes= Manager gets credit

 

hang on, I am not abusing NA just pointing out that so many were quick to jump all over AP when he didnt have an answer to what was in front of him. It was clear that it wasnt working in the 1st half, people expected change at halftime, that didnt happen as far as players go but we did see us playing higher up the pitch which worked. So, why wait until half time.

[sadoldgit]

I was wondering about this myself. Pardew got a lot of flak on here for apparently having no Plan B. It will be interesting to see how those who critisised him handle it when Adkins loses games.

[Saint_John]

As far as Plan B, NA attempted various changes yesterday when things were NOT WORKING:

(a) Wide players switching wings 2 or 3 times in the 1st half, whereas AP quite often left the wide players on the same wing for the whole 90 mins always the "wrong way around" (right footer on the left and left footer on the right) even when everyone bar him could see it was not working;

(b) Late in the game yesterday NA moved Adam "into the hole" behind the 2 strikers and played a "diamond system", wheras AP often played the same system for the whole 90mins and only just replaced one wide player with another.

 

For me the problem yesterday was "slow start" to the first half. This problem happen a number of times last season as well (e.g. Orient away, 2nd half at home to Norwich etc), but it the 1st time under Nige that the players have been "off the pace" at the start of a half.

[sadoldgit]

Pardew's teams won an awful lot of games and scored an awful lot of goals so maybe there was some merit in his tactics?

[leftback]

Pardew's teams won an awful lot of games and scored an awful lot of goals so maybe there was some merit in his tactics?

get it now!!!!!

beautiful game my arse.

wilkins said to the lads "its gonna be pure football from now on"

its about getting out of this god forsaken division

**** poor yesterday,**** poor.