Turkish Posted 20 December, 2010 Share Posted 20 December, 2010 This season Played 19 - Points = 28 - position = 10th Last season Played 19 - Points 29 - Realtime position ( not inc -10pts ) = 9th _______________________________________________________________ Just for all you people who think we are making great progress... we're actually going backwards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 20 December, 2010 Share Posted 20 December, 2010 This season Played 19 - Points = 28 - position = 10th Last season Played 19 - Points 29 - Realtime position ( not inc -10pts ) = 9th _______________________________________________________________ Just for all you people who think we are making great progress... we're actually going backwards. good point....however this time we are 5 points from 2nd with 2 games in hand...?? the test will be (where we let ourselves down big time last season) is the 2nd half of the season...we never made up the ground after xmas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 20 December, 2010 Author Share Posted 20 December, 2010 (edited) good point....however this time we are 5 points from 2nd with 2 games in hand...?? the test will be (where we let ourselves down big time last season) is the 2nd half of the season...we never made up the ground after xmas Everyone else has two game in had as well. we averaged 2 points a game after xmas last season. We are on course for 67 points this season, 7 less than last including a 10 point handicap. Also the league is most definitely weaker, three good sides gone as proven that Norwich and Leeds are both in the top 6 of the championship now. If we had progressed surely we should have taken more points in a weaker division. Edited 20 December, 2010 by Turkish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfc4prem Posted 20 December, 2010 Share Posted 20 December, 2010 And it's all because of Rickie Lambert not doting. That's the only difference (and don't say Antonio as he didn't start performing till the latter stages). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 20 December, 2010 Author Share Posted 20 December, 2010 And it's all because of Rickie Lambert not doting. That's the only difference (and don't say Antonio as he didn't start performing till the latter stages). Not just him, the team as a whole have massively underperformed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfc4prem Posted 20 December, 2010 Share Posted 20 December, 2010 scoring* and yeh the team are underperforming but what can be done about it? Its not all down to the manager is it? Anyway, the sooner January comes the better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 20 December, 2010 Author Share Posted 20 December, 2010 scoring* and yeh the team are underperforming but what can be done about it? Its not all down to the manager is it? Anyway, the sooner January comes the better. I thought a managers job was to get the team performing and winning? My mistake. And dont think January is going to be the godsend and the answer to all our prayers. Cortese has already set our expections by saying dont expect to much to happen. If we get 3 signings we should be happy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 20 December, 2010 Share Posted 20 December, 2010 Not just him, the team as a whole have massively underperformed. Yep. That's a good point Turkish and one I didn't consider until now. Clear evidence that we have actually got worse than last year. Worrying times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deppo Posted 20 December, 2010 Share Posted 20 December, 2010 It's too late for us. We'll never make up that point. Time for us to concentrate on next season, methinks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 20 December, 2010 Author Share Posted 20 December, 2010 It's too late for us. We'll never make up that point. Time for us to concentrate on next season, methinks. despite your flippant response. It is a fact that we have less points than last season in a league that is weaker. That is a fact, therefore we are not progressing at all. If we had progressed we would have more points than last season and you'd like to think given the league is weaker, considerably more points than at the same stage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 20 December, 2010 Share Posted 20 December, 2010 despite your flippant response. It is a fact that we have less points than last season in a league that is weaker. That is a fact, therefore we are not progressing at all. If we had progressed we would have more points than last season and you'd like to think given the league is weaker, considerably more points than at the same stage. it matters not about last season...its here and now that counts..and whether we will go up in this league despite not doing as well...we are closer to the top the now than we were at any point last season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 20 December, 2010 Share Posted 20 December, 2010 despite your flippant response. It is a fact that we have less points than last season in a league that is weaker. That is a fact, therefore we are not progressing at all. If we had progressed we would have more points than last season and you'd like to think given the league is weaker, considerably more points than at the same stage. Difficult to say because of the 3 match "Wilkin's Disaster Period". 3 matches for 0 points changes everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 20 December, 2010 Author Share Posted 20 December, 2010 it matters not about last season...its here and now that counts..and whether we will go up in this league despite not doing as well...we are closer to the top the now than we were at any point last season Indeed, but despite all the claims that we are progressing, the facts dont back this up. We have less points in a weaker league, unless we progress significantly in the next few months we will not be promoted. We have not progressed in a year, this is a fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deppo Posted 20 December, 2010 Share Posted 20 December, 2010 despite your flippant response. It is a fact that we have less points than last season in a league that is weaker. That is a fact, therefore we are not progressing at all. If we had progressed we would have more points than last season and you'd like to think given the league is weaker, considerably more points than at the same stage. Indeed. The scientific base of this argument is so strong, as we have played exactly the same teams at exactly the same time with exactly the same players as last season by this time. And for that I thank the Football League for creating the fixture list as a palimpsest of last season's just so that we can make these sorts of flawless comparisons. Ah, science. Cold, hard facts in action. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted 20 December, 2010 Share Posted 20 December, 2010 Thanks for cheering us all up Turks, thats just what I needed to hear before christmas. Youre right tho Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 20 December, 2010 Share Posted 20 December, 2010 Indeed, but despite all the claims that we are progressing, the facts dont back this up. We have less points in a weaker league, unless we progress significantly in the next few months we will not be promoted. We have not progressed in a year, this is a fact. i dont care much about last season..I could not care much about the brand of football or plan b's...people who go on about that usually do so as a stick to beat the chairman with...why I dont know I could not care less if we went up with less points than last year... promotion is what it is all about..worry about next season when it happen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 20 December, 2010 Author Share Posted 20 December, 2010 Indeed. The scientific base of this argument is so strong, as we have played exactly the same teams at exactly the same time with exactly the same players as last season by this time. And for that I thank the Football League for creating the fixture list as a palimpsest of last season's just so that we can make these sorts of flawless comparisons. Ah, science. Cold, hard facts in action. Well, this time last year we had just lost away at Leeds who are now second in the championship and a couple of months prior had drawn at home against now 5th in the championship Norwich when at the same time this year we had just beaten 19th place Notts County so you could argue that we have had easier games this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deppo Posted 20 December, 2010 Share Posted 20 December, 2010 "could argue"? That doesn't sound like the "facts" that you were so confident of earlier in the thread? Come on, Turkish, you can do this. You're better than this. We can't win our argument that we are 1 point worse than last season with "could". Modal verbs just don't cut it in an argument. We need imperative verbs and nothing less. I'm relying on you for this. You're my wingman. I can't have a miserable Christmas if you don't sort it out and win this argument for us against that ghastly thedelldays fella. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 20 December, 2010 Author Share Posted 20 December, 2010 i dont care much about last season..I could not care much about the brand of football or plan b's...people who go on about that usually do so as a stick to beat the chairman with...why I dont know I could not care less if we went up with less points than last year... promotion is what it is all about..worry about next season when it happen I agree with what you say Jamie, but the simple fact is that people with the red and white tinted glasses on claim we are progressing etc when the facts PROVE we are not. We are not going to go up if we keep performing as we have been this season. A season where our chairman has described promotion as essential. I for one am getting a bit tired with all this talk about visions and planning etc, we need to stop thinking about the premier league, champions league and the bizarre claims from some that we can be as big as liverpool and concentrate on getting out of this sh*t league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 20 December, 2010 Share Posted 20 December, 2010 Must be concerted effort then Stu is pleading exactly the same argument over on the Ugly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 20 December, 2010 Author Share Posted 20 December, 2010 "could argue"? That doesn't sound like the "facts" that you were so confident of earlier in the thread? Come on, Turkish, you can do this. You're better than this. We can't win our argument that we are 1 point worse than last season with "could". Modal verbs just don't cut it in an argument. We need imperative verbs and nothing less. I'm relying on you for this. You're my wingman. I can't have a miserable Christmas if you don't sort it out and win this argument for us against that ghastly thedelldays fella. Okay mate, It is a fact that we played two top six championship sides as two of our 19 games last year, and also Millwall, now a mid table championship side and the top 3 sides in league one last season. The league is withour question weaker now than it was last season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 20 December, 2010 Share Posted 20 December, 2010 I agree with what you say Jamie, but the simple fact is that people with the red and white tinted glasses on claim we are progressing etc when the facts PROVE we are not. We are not going to go up if we keep performing as we have been this season. A season where our chairman has described promotion as essential. I for one am getting a bit tired with all this talk about visions and planning etc, we need to stop thinking about the premier league, champions league and the bizarre claims from some that we can be as big as liverpool and concentrate on getting out of this sh*t league. progression will mean promotion or not...fact is..we are 5 points from 2nd with 2 games in hand...something we never got close to last year.. how this has happened is neither here nor there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deppo Posted 20 December, 2010 Share Posted 20 December, 2010 Okay mate, It is a fact that we played two top six championship sides as two of our 19 games last year, and also Millwall, now a mid table championship side and the top 3 sides in league one last season. The league is withour question weaker now than it was last season. Better. Much better. You sound more confident now. I just hope that nobody picks up on that last statement about the league being "without question" weaker. People hate it when we pass off opinions as facts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 20 December, 2010 Author Share Posted 20 December, 2010 progression will mean promotion or not...fact is..we are 5 points from 2nd with 2 games in hand...something we never got close to last year.. how this has happened is neither here nor there We are also 10th and dont forget, all the teams around us and above us have two games in hand on second as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 20 December, 2010 Share Posted 20 December, 2010 Everyone else has two game in had as well. we averaged 2 points a game after xmas last season. We are on course for 67 points this season, 7 less than last including a 10 point handicap. Also the league is most definitely weaker, three good sides gone as proven that Norwich and Leeds are both in the top 6 of the championship now. If we had progressed surely we should have taken more points in a weaker division. I agreed with your first point but where do you get 67 points from? If you factor our additional points this season (ie 9 more) into last season's performance we would end up with 82 points wouldn't we?? Overall, though, I agree with you. Some people are saying we've progressed. We' haven't. The same weaknesses people complained about under Pardew remain - a lack of consistency and failure to put away the bad teams. We should be dominating the league. However, I give Adkins the benefit. Maybe after a few additions in January and more time with the team, we will do just that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 20 December, 2010 Author Share Posted 20 December, 2010 Better. Much better. You sound more confident now. I just hope that nobody picks up on that last statement about the league being "without question" weaker. People hate it when we pass off opinions as facts. only an idiot would claim this league is as strong as last season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 20 December, 2010 Share Posted 20 December, 2010 We are also 10th and dont forget, all the teams around us and above us have two games in hand on second as well. indeed...but as you say, the league is alot weaker than last year..teams are dropping points left right and centre..who would have predicted exeter smashing sheff wed 5-1..? we have to HOPE we strengthen one or two players in jan...either loan or what ever..and lambert starts scoring... we have so much more to give where as other teams are playing their better stuff..? also teams like carlise simply wont sustain their efforts..they are fast running out of players (like the cherries) and their start man is attracting alot of attention. I also believe that more teams above us will be weaker at the end of jan..where as I expect us to be stronger.. the 2nd half of the season will be interesting...around this time last year we were 7 points from the playoffs...yet never really made that up...i fully expect us to be fighting for top 2 come easter.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 20 December, 2010 Author Share Posted 20 December, 2010 I agreed with your first point but where do you get 67 points from? If you factor our additional points this season (ie 9 more) into last season's performance we would end up with 82 points wouldn't we?? Overall, though, I agree with you. Some people are saying we've progressed. We' haven't. The same weaknesses people complained about under Pardew remain - a lack of consistency and failure to put away the bad teams. We should be dominating the league. However, I give Adkins the benefit. Maybe after a few additions in January and more time with the team, we will do just that! We are on 28 played 19, 1.47 a game, over a season over a course of a season that is 67 points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deppo Posted 20 December, 2010 Share Posted 20 December, 2010 only an idiot would claim this league is as strong as last season. You are getting the hang of this. Excellent tactic. Nobody wants to be thought of as an idiot. Forget the facts, this'll win it for us! I can smell victory! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 20 December, 2010 Author Share Posted 20 December, 2010 indeed...but as you say, the league is alot weaker than last year..teams are dropping points left right and centre..who would have predicted exeter smashing sheff wed 5-1..? we have to HOPE we strengthen one or two players in jan...either loan or what ever..and lambert starts scoring... we have so much more to give where as other teams are playing their better stuff..? also teams like carlise simply wont sustain their efforts..they are fast running out of players (like the cherries) and their start man is attracting alot of attention. I also believe that more teams above us will be weaker at the end of jan..where as I expect us to be stronger.. the 2nd half of the season will be interesting...around this time last year we were 7 points from the playoffs...yet never really made that up...i fully expect us to be fighting for top 2 come easter.. All bit hopeful though isnt it Jamie? Hoping teams dont keep up their level of performance, hoping we improve, hope we sign players to improve, hope Lambert comes good, when there is nothing to suggest any of this will happen. Hope is what you cling to when you have nothing else. Also dont forget teams like Carlise and Bournemouth will make use of the loan window too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 20 December, 2010 Share Posted 20 December, 2010 We are also 10th and dont forget, all the teams around us and above us have two games in hand on second as well. In particular Oldham who have 3 games in hand on Sheffield W. then again it's only Oldham.Oldham FFS...we are on a par with Oldham despite all our facilities,our expensive players,our so called purchasing power. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 20 December, 2010 Author Share Posted 20 December, 2010 You are getting the hang of this. Excellent tactic. Nobody wants to be thought of as an idiot. Forget the facts, this'll win it for us! I can smell victory! You do make me laugh you c***, thats why i campaigned for your return. :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 20 December, 2010 Author Share Posted 20 December, 2010 In particular Oldham who have 3 games in hand on Sheffield W. then again it's only Oldham.Oldham FFS...we are on a par with Oldham despite all our facilities,our expensive players,our so called purchasing power. and below Bournemouth, Colchester and Exeter who 4 years ago were a non league club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 20 December, 2010 Share Posted 20 December, 2010 In particular Oldham who have 3 games in hand on Sheffield W. then again it's only Oldham.Oldham FFS...we are on a par with Oldham despite all our facilities,our expensive players,our so called purchasing power. i know what you mean...If only it worked like that..we would be above blackpool Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaiser Soze Posted 20 December, 2010 Share Posted 20 December, 2010 I personally think we'll finish 3-6 and go out in the play-off's at the semi-final stage. Cortese will quit, the Liebherr family will sell-up, we'll be taken over by Milan Manderich and we'll end up bankrupt within a couple of years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Faz Posted 20 December, 2010 Share Posted 20 December, 2010 We are also 16 or so months into the 5 year plan, where as we were only 4 months into it this time last year. At this stage , it looks like we made enornmous progress with the first team in the first few months of the Cortese masterplan, but have not made much / any progress in the last 12 months. Hopefully Adkins has a few signings lined up and/or will get more out of the players than he has recently. But that is a hope, I dont see any real evidence of progress year on year, and in fact was more confident of promotion this time last year than i am now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 20 December, 2010 Share Posted 20 December, 2010 I personally think we'll finish 3-6 and go out in the play-off's at the semi-final stage. Cortese will quit, the Liebherr family will sell-up, we'll be taken over by Milan Manderich and we'll end up bankrupt within a couple of years. and saint lard and co will be happy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wycombe Saint Posted 20 December, 2010 Share Posted 20 December, 2010 All bit hopeful though isnt it Jamie? Hoping teams dont keep up their level of performance, hoping we improve, hope we sign players to improve, hope Lambert comes good, when there is nothing to suggest any of this will happen. Hope is what you cling to when you have nothing else. Also dont forget teams like Carlise and Bournemouth will make use of the loan window too. Yeah but what else can you do, unfortunately i havent been a very good boy this year so my hope of getting a christmas ball from Santa wont come true. I would love to hear your fool proof (non hopeful) plan to get us out of this league. We could sign some players but then we would have to hope that they would play well, or we could hope that our team we have now play well! Damn it with all this hope! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wycombe Saint Posted 20 December, 2010 Share Posted 20 December, 2010 Yeah but what else can you do, unfortunately i havent been a very good boy this year so my hope of getting a christmas ball from Santa wont come true. I would love to hear your fool proof (non hopeful) plan to get us out of this league. We could sign some players but then we would have to hope that they would play well, or we could hope that our team we have now play well! Damn it with all this hope! Meant to say crystal ball!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 20 December, 2010 Author Share Posted 20 December, 2010 Yeah but what else can you do, unfortunately i havent been a very good boy this year so my hope of getting a christmas ball from Santa wont come true. I would love to hear your fool proof (non hopeful) plan to get us out of this league. We could sign some players but then we would have to hope that they would play well, or we could hope that our team we have now play well! Damn it with all this hope! Sorry, but i dont hear Alex Fergusson at the start of every season saying that he hopes Chelsea aren't as good this year, that he hopes his team play well, he hope this that and the other. Of course he doesn't, obviously there are no guarentees at any club but Man Utd have been Englands most successful club over the last 20 years because they plan to win every competition they play in, based on what Man Utd do their players their team, their performance, not hoping the others fail. Our plan seems to be hoping we dramatically improve and hoping the others dont or go backwards. And before you start saying comparing us to Man Utd is ludicrious, i am not comparing the clubs but i am comparing the strategy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 20 December, 2010 Share Posted 20 December, 2010 Sorry, but i dont hear Alex Fergusson at the start of every season saying that he hopes Chelsea aren't as good this year, but they would not be top if it was not for chelsea being crap does that mean man U are also going backwards....? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 20 December, 2010 Share Posted 20 December, 2010 Sorry, but i dont hear Alex Fergusson at the start of every season saying that he hopes Chelsea aren't as good this year, that he hopes his team play well, he hope this that and the other. Of course he doesn't, obviously there are no guarentees at any club but Man Utd have been Englands most successful club over the last 20 years because they plan to win every competition they play in, based on what Man Utd do their players their team, their performance, not hoping the others fail. Our plan seems to be hoping we dramatically improve and hoping the others dont or go backwards. And before you start saying comparing us to Man Utd is ludicrious, i am not comparing the clubs but i am comparing the strategy. On this point one might point out that Sir Alex had no qualms about benching Rooney(or dropping him) the instant that he became troubled for whatever reason or other. I think our successive managers have been extrordinarily weak over Lambert.Any other manager would have benched him and at least tried another solution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boxosponge Posted 20 December, 2010 Share Posted 20 December, 2010 A friend would have given his source http://www.fansnetwork.co.uk/football/southampton/fb_mb.php?m=v&t=13959&r=143984#143984 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingsbridge Saint Posted 20 December, 2010 Share Posted 20 December, 2010 Seriously disappointed with 10th at Christmas. We just haven't progressed at all. Cortese - the buck stops with you. Sort it out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 20 December, 2010 Share Posted 20 December, 2010 This season Played 19 - Points = 28 - position = 10th Last season Played 19 - Points 29 - Realtime position ( not inc -10pts ) = 9th _______________________________________________________________ Just for all you people who think we are making great progress... we're actually going backwards. TBF I am surprised we are that close... This was the season of NO EXCUSES. NC really blew it not getting rid of Pardew in close season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mowgli Posted 20 December, 2010 Share Posted 20 December, 2010 only an idiot would claim this league is as strong as last season. Anyone is entitled to a view. I think what people object to is your assertion that because it is your opinion it is a fact. Personally, I think we should listen to NA who, when he came here, said he wanted to be in the race at Christmas and push on afterward for automatic promotion. So far so good. It's been well documented that pre season did not go well and the change in manager upset the momentum. I see no point in using statistics in the way that you have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 20 December, 2010 Share Posted 20 December, 2010 Anyone is entitled to a view. I think what people object to is your assertion that because it is your opinion it is a fact. Personally, I think we should listen to NA who, when he came here, said he wanted to be in the race at Christmas and push on afterward for automatic promotion. So far so good. It's been well documented that pre season did not go well and the change in manager upset the momentum. I see no point in using statistics in the way that you have. U what ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toomer Posted 20 December, 2010 Share Posted 20 December, 2010 I personally think we'll finish 3-6 and go out in the play-off's at the semi-final stage. Cortese will quit, the Liebherr family will sell-up, we'll be taken over by Milan Manderich and we'll end up bankrupt within a couple of years. And a Merry Bloody Christmas to you as well:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 20 December, 2010 Share Posted 20 December, 2010 We're now in the period where our strengths should tell over the opposition. A few signings in January and we'll be challenging for the automatic places. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corky morris Posted 20 December, 2010 Share Posted 20 December, 2010 Anyone is entitled to a view. I think what people object to is your assertion that because it is your opinion it is a fact. Personally, I think we should listen to NA who, when he came here, said he wanted to be in the race at Christmas and push on afterward for automatic promotion. So far so good. It's been well documented that pre season did not go well and the change in manager upset the momentum. I see no point in using statistics in the way that you have. I bet he thought we would beat Brentford at home though!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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