alpine_saint Posted 20 December, 2008 Share Posted 20 December, 2008 Well it is, whether some of you like it or not. SFC is facing years of painful decline to non-league or non-existence status with the current management and mentality. We need Barclays to force administration now, flog the club, clear the debts, take the points deduction on the chin in what is already a lost (and highly likely relegation) season, and start with a clean slate next year and rebuild the club and the trust and faith of the fan-base without the emotional baggage of Lowe and Wilde. There is NO other way. Anything else is a death by a thousand cuts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TopGun Posted 20 December, 2008 Share Posted 20 December, 2008 Ridiculous. Thank god you weren't around during the blitz! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint lard Posted 20 December, 2008 Share Posted 20 December, 2008 And possibly be bought for f o o k all by Lowe,is that a possibility? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNSUN Posted 20 December, 2008 Share Posted 20 December, 2008 If the points deduction is to happen this season, then I would also accept administration, if it meant that the debts were cleared, we find a new buyer, and can start afresh in League One. We're headed for relegation as it is playing like this, we cannot win at home and aren't much better away. If the points deduction would occur next season, then either way we're screwed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snowballs2 Posted 20 December, 2008 Share Posted 20 December, 2008 I quite agree, its sad and people will lose money, however its the future of Saints we should worry about! Lowe Must be kept as far away from bidding as possible along with Wilde the traitor who enable Lowe to return. We must rise from this with new owners who care about the club more than their investment. Lowe has taken the cheap option to failure again with his total football nonsense, we need a manager who knows English league football not a Dutchman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snowballs2 Posted 20 December, 2008 Share Posted 20 December, 2008 Ridiculous. Thank god you weren't around during the blitz! I was...living by the airport and I agree with Alpine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 20 December, 2008 Author Share Posted 20 December, 2008 Ridiculous. Thank god you weren't around during the blitz! What is your answer then ? That result and performance today has just KILLED the home gate revenue for another couple of months at least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torres Posted 20 December, 2008 Share Posted 20 December, 2008 Well it is, whether some of you like it or not. We need Barclays to force administration now, flog the club, clear the debts, t To whom, exactly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted 20 December, 2008 Share Posted 20 December, 2008 To whom, exactly? I'd take Barry the f*cking Briefcase and Longlife milk Cherry at the moment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TopGun Posted 20 December, 2008 Share Posted 20 December, 2008 What is your answer then ? That result and performance today has just KILLED the home gate revenue for another couple of months at least. Lowe and Wilde must be removed, that is obvious. The effects of administration is just not understood by those who advocate it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stepgar Posted 20 December, 2008 Share Posted 20 December, 2008 I think I would take it now rather than later. If it means that Lowe would be gone, however I feel that Lowe is so arrogant that he would buy the club at a discount and outright, so there would be no getting rid of him. I genually think that if this happens then I would stop supporting them. I can not support the team when he is ispulling the strings. Andthis breaks my heart. My 10 year old son wanted to buy a Saints shirt, I told him not to waste his money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 20 December, 2008 Author Share Posted 20 December, 2008 Lowe and Wilde must be removed, that is obvious. The effects of administration is just not understood by those who advocate it. I find that comment patronising, my friend. Apart from the points issue, which I am advocating taking on the chin NOW in what is clearly shaping up to be a relegation season anyway, Lowe is ALREADY acting like an Administrator. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Rover Posted 20 December, 2008 Share Posted 20 December, 2008 I just saw "Forum Shut Down For Essential Maintenance" flash in front of my eyes. If it does go down tonight of all nights, I for one will wonder who is running this forum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torres Posted 20 December, 2008 Share Posted 20 December, 2008 I find that comment patronising, my friend. Apart from the points issue, which I am advocating taking on the chin NOW in what is clearly shaping up to be a relegation season anyway, Lowe is ALREADY acting like an Administrator. Quitter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted 20 December, 2008 Share Posted 20 December, 2008 Quitter. Or better to know when you're beaten? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torres Posted 20 December, 2008 Share Posted 20 December, 2008 Or better to know when you're beaten? Aye, that's the Dell Spirit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted 20 December, 2008 Share Posted 20 December, 2008 Aye, that's the Dell Spirit. Sadly we've had the Dell spirit kicked and beaten from us ever since we became a PLC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 20 December, 2008 Share Posted 20 December, 2008 I would take admistration now if it meant getting rid of lowe and wilde. You only have to see how leicester are doing under pearson to see what a huge mistake has been made. Alpine saint is dead right. Happy clapper fans like torres will get us nowhere Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torres Posted 20 December, 2008 Share Posted 20 December, 2008 Sadly we've had the Dell spirit kicked and beaten from us ever since we became a PLC Only if we let it - which is the sad thing - some people have. Show some fight, show some belief. We've been in many worse positions than this (in terms of league position/points) before and people weren't throwing the towel then. F*cking cowards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snowballs2 Posted 20 December, 2008 Share Posted 20 December, 2008 Lowe and Wilde must be removed, that is obvious. The effects of administration is just not understood by those who advocate it. Yes it is...but to me it is the only way to try and rid the club of Lowe...we understand that people will lose financially, I own 1000 shares and would gladly write off the value to get rid of Lowe and Wilde, and I am a pensioner, who is not flushed with dosh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fowllyd Posted 20 December, 2008 Share Posted 20 December, 2008 The problem with administration is that it's a great big unknown. Would it rid us of Lowe? Or would he and his chums pick up the pieces (as Ken Bates has done at Leeds) and carry on, this time in a position of unassailable power? Unless it were absolutely certain that the latter would not and could not happen, I could not possibly welcome the prospect of administration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobM Posted 20 December, 2008 Share Posted 20 December, 2008 I bet if we do go into Administration, it will be Lowe, Wilde or their contacts who buy us. We will then be royally ****ed, as if we're not a listed company the buyer has nobody to report to other than himself. Imagine Lowe being in charge and reporting to himself or one of his buddies. No legal duty to protect the company, no duty to report to the shareholders, no duty to offer any insight into what's going on at all and no way at all of calling something like an EGM if it all goes wrong. I'd say that if somebody was out there with the cash to not only buy the club but clear debts and invest in the future and improve things now, there would have been a more serious offer on the table already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70's Mike Posted 20 December, 2008 Share Posted 20 December, 2008 Only if we let it - which is the sad thing - some people have. Show some fight, show some belief. We've been in many worse positions than this (in terms of league position/points) before and people weren't throwing the towel then. F*cking cowards. When ? Sorry mate you are not going to get anyone who was at todays abjected surrender to be rational for at least a week . i am so f**king pi**ed off. unless we try something different at home every game is going to end in defeat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70's Mike Posted 20 December, 2008 Share Posted 20 December, 2008 The problem with administration is that it's a great big unknown. Would it rid us of Lowe? Or would he and his chums pick up the pieces (as Ken Bates has done at Leeds) and carry on, this time in a position of unassailable power? Unless it were absolutely certain that the latter would not and could not happen, I could not possibly welcome the prospect of administration. only difference would be that Ken Bates was owed money by Leeds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted 20 December, 2008 Share Posted 20 December, 2008 Only if we let it - which is the sad thing - some people have. Show some fight, show some belief. We've been in many worse positions than this (in terms of league position/points) before and people weren't throwing the towel then. F*cking cowards. How about taking up the fight to remove the board and associated numpties that run the club? How about showing some belief that there IS someone out there that can run the club better than Lowe? How about not throwing the towel in and accepting the crap we get served up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fowllyd Posted 20 December, 2008 Share Posted 20 December, 2008 only difference would be that Ken Bates was owed money by Leeds This is of course true. My point, though, was that administration is like a long, dark tunnel - you have no way of knowing what's at the other end. To present it as some sort of panacea, as some on here are doing (I don't mean you) is just wrong. The only certainty would be the points deduction; beyond that, nobody can know, they can only guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torres Posted 20 December, 2008 Share Posted 20 December, 2008 How about taking up the fight to remove the board and associated numpties that run the club? IN favour of....? How about showing some belief that there IS someone out there that can run the club better than Lowe? If they come anywhere near, I'll back 'em. How about not throwing the towel in and accepting the crap we get served up? Until this magical white knight appears whe have to believe that what we currently have is enough to survive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SOTONS EAST SIDE Posted 20 December, 2008 Share Posted 20 December, 2008 How about taking up the fight to remove the board and associated numpties that run the club? How about showing some belief that there IS someone out there that can run the club better than Lowe? How about not throwing the towel in and accepting the crap we get served up?WSS as a fellow Weston man .i agree with everything you have written. Adminstration is not the only answer, but i can see why people feel this may be the only option. as they cant see another way to remove the current shower that run (ho!ho!) this great club. I cant see where the solution is going to come from, but Admin has to be the ultimate last straw! :( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted 20 December, 2008 Share Posted 20 December, 2008 If they come anywhere near, I'll back 'em. Until this magical white knight appears whe have to believe that what we currently have is enough to survive. I'm not saying there is a magical white knight out there, merely that Managing Directors / company Chairman are out there if the current board decided that they wanted to LOOK for a replacement for Lowe. Unfortunately they are such a bunch of numpties they support his every wrong move, so they are unlikely to even bother LOOKING. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Posted 20 December, 2008 Share Posted 20 December, 2008 IN favour of....? If they come anywhere near, I'll back 'em. Until this magical white knight appears whe have to believe that what we currently have is enough to survive. Weston; just ignore Torres; he loves trashing other people's ideas while advocating the 'do nothing' attitude that got us into this mess in the first place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torres Posted 20 December, 2008 Share Posted 20 December, 2008 Weston; just ignore Torres; he loves trashing other people's ideas while advocating the 'do nothing' attitude that got us into this mess in the first place. Sorry John, I'm afraid you're seriously wrong here. What I do advocate is not "doing something" due to a misguided belief that it's better than "doing nothing" and that the grass is always greener on the other side of the fence. Present me with a plausible alternative that has a realistic chance of success and I'l be all over it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SOTONS EAST SIDE Posted 20 December, 2008 Share Posted 20 December, 2008 I'm not saying there is a magical white knight out there, merely that Managing Directors / company Chairman are out there if the current board decided that they wanted to LOOK for a replacement for Lowe. Unfortunately they are such a bunch of numpties they support his every wrong move, so they are unlikely to even bother LOOKING.Antony Saltz would be my choice, while not a total football man. He'd knows were his talent lies, as for Rupert he could'nt spell it let alone find it!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snowballs2 Posted 20 December, 2008 Share Posted 20 December, 2008 Only if we let it - which is the sad thing - some people have. Show some fight, show some belief. We've been in many worse positions than this (in terms of league position/points) before and people weren't throwing the towel then. F*cking cowards. I cannot find One positive to take from the home results this season. Administration Now please Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torres Posted 20 December, 2008 Share Posted 20 December, 2008 I'm not saying there is a magical white knight out there, merely that Managing Directors / company Chairman are out there if the current board decided that they wanted to LOOK for a replacement for Lowe. Unfortunately they are such a bunch of numpties they support his every wrong move, so they are unlikely to even bother LOOKING. Again though, doesn't this come down to shareholder power? As it has for the last 10+ years? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snowballs2 Posted 20 December, 2008 Share Posted 20 December, 2008 Weston; just ignore Torres; he loves trashing other people's ideas while advocating the 'do nothing' attitude that got us into this mess in the first place. I have noticed this too, his rationale is fiddle while Rome burns and lets see whats left in the ashes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torres Posted 20 December, 2008 Share Posted 20 December, 2008 Antony Saltz would be my choice, while not a total football man. He'd knows were his talent lies, as for Rupert he could'nt spell it let alone find it!!!! It'a all well and good throwing these names about (Salz, Fulthorpe, Gavyn Davies...) but is there any sign of their money? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torres Posted 20 December, 2008 Share Posted 20 December, 2008 I have noticed this too, his rationale is fiddle while Rome burns and lets see whats left in the ashes See above. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Posted 20 December, 2008 Share Posted 20 December, 2008 I bet if we do go into Administration, it will be Lowe, Wilde or their contacts who buy us. We will then be royally ****ed, as if we're not a listed company the buyer has nobody to report to other than himself. Imagine Lowe being in charge and reporting to himself or one of his buddies. No legal duty to protect the company, no duty to report to the shareholders, no duty to offer any insight into what's going on at all and no way at all of calling something like an EGM if it all goes wrong. I'd say that if somebody was out there with the cash to not only buy the club but clear debts and invest in the future and improve things now, there would have been a more serious offer on the table already. The issue is not whether we should; it is what will hapen when we do. The key to keeping Lowe, Wilde, Cowan and their cronies away is through alternative business groups presenting solid plans to the adminsitrator so that they win the right to carry everything forward...and those groups WILL appear...I could write better business plans than Lowe and Wilde, so fear not, have faith...once we go into administration, no adminsitrator is going to allow Lowe or Wilde anywhere near a re-build due to their past history of failure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snowballs2 Posted 20 December, 2008 Share Posted 20 December, 2008 Again though, doesn't this come down to shareholder power? As it has for the last 10+ years? No the shares are distributed in small amounts with the bulk in the hands of many man7y small shareholders. To unite them would be as impossible as uniting Lowe, Wilde and Crouch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jillyanne Posted 20 December, 2008 Share Posted 20 December, 2008 Did we lose? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SOTONS EAST SIDE Posted 20 December, 2008 Share Posted 20 December, 2008 The club is currently worth about £6M, but hell would have to freeze over if we think Lowe/Wilde & cronies will sell it for that! Crounch would! But the others are only interested in a large profit nothing LESS!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torres Posted 20 December, 2008 Share Posted 20 December, 2008 No the shares are distributed in small amounts with the bulk in the hands of many man7y small shareholders. To unite them would be as impossible as uniting Lowe, Wilde and Crouch So yes, it is shareholder power. :confused: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TopGun Posted 20 December, 2008 Share Posted 20 December, 2008 The issue is not whether we should; it is what will hapen when we do. The key to keeping Lowe, Wilde, Cowan and their cronies away is through alternative business groups presenting solid plans to the adminsitrator so that they win the right to carry everything forward...and those groups WILL appear...I could write better business plans than Lowe and Wilde, so fear not, have faith...once we go into administration, no adminsitrator is going to allow Lowe or Wilde anywhere near a re-build due to their past history of failure. Interesting points. That Lowe has sat around a table conducting Saints business with LLS present sums up his inability to fulfil his role adequately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SOTONS EAST SIDE Posted 20 December, 2008 Share Posted 20 December, 2008 It'a all well and good throwing these names about (Salz, Fulthorpe, Gavyn Davies...) but is there any sign of their money?See above for the answer!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 20 December, 2008 Author Share Posted 20 December, 2008 If Lowe and Wilde were to pick up the club on the cheap following administration, the question that would need to be asked is : How come they suddenly found money to spend on the club when they "couldnt" before administration ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70's Mike Posted 20 December, 2008 Share Posted 20 December, 2008 the club is currently worth about £6m, but hell would have to freeze over if we think lowe/wilde & cronies will sell it for that! Crounch would! But the others are only interested in a large profit nothing less!! got it in one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mynameisthehulk Posted 20 December, 2008 Share Posted 20 December, 2008 Well it is, whether some of you like it or not. SFC is facing years of painful decline to non-league or non-existence status with the current management and mentality. We need Barclays to force administration now, flog the club, clear the debts, take the points deduction on the chin in what is already a lost (and highly likely relegation) season, and start with a clean slate next year and rebuild the club and the trust and faith of the fan-base without the emotional baggage of Lowe and Wilde. There is NO other way. Anything else is a death by a thousand cuts. Hi Alpine I am interested in your opinions, please could you list the possible benefits of administration? Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Poppa Posted 20 December, 2008 Share Posted 20 December, 2008 I bet if we do go into Administration, it will be Lowe, Wilde or their contacts who buy us. We will then be royally ****ed, as if we're not a listed company the buyer has nobody to report to other than himself. Imagine Lowe being in charge and reporting to himself or one of his buddies. No legal duty to protect the company, no duty to report to the shareholders, no duty to offer any insight into what's going on at all and no way at all of calling something like an EGM if it all goes wrong. I'd say that if somebody was out there with the cash to not only buy the club but clear debts and invest in the future and improve things now, there would have been a more serious offer on the table already. I fear this could be a very very real possibility & it looks to be exactly what certain members of the board want... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 20 December, 2008 Author Share Posted 20 December, 2008 Hi Alpine I am interested in your opinions, please could you list the possible benefits of administration? Thanks I have explained the reasons behind my opinion. Simply put, the club might have a future if it happens at the right time - now. If the club drags on into next season and it happens then (and I reckon it is a foregone conclusion unless a buyer suddenly appears), we are finished. Negative points next season would most likely see us in the 4th tier the season after, and we already look doomed to the 3rd tier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 20 December, 2008 Author Share Posted 20 December, 2008 I fear this could be a very very real possibility & it looks to be exactly what certain members of the board want... Surely if there is a suspicion that the board have deliberately brought this about to clear debts and pick up the club for a song, there are serious legal ramifications ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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