NickG Posted 19 June, 2014 Share Posted 19 June, 2014 I've read Koeman prefers a back three, how would that be implemented with current squad? I don't know much about practicalities of that formation, or the best type of players for it, but.. Would our best 3 be; Lovren, Fonte and Wanyama? Wanyama plays very deeply protecting the CBs (and we don't let goals in!) Would this be much different to how we play when VW is in side, with Clyne/Shaw advanced. Other option could be Chambers? If we are buying/ selling CBs - are some better suited to playing in a 3? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 19 June, 2014 Share Posted 19 June, 2014 (edited) I could only see this being Yoshida, Lovren, Fonte with a combination of Chambers/Clyne at RWB and Shaw at LWB. Wanyama and Morgan shielding the back four and providing an outlet. Using our current squad. -------------------- Rodriguez --------------------- Lallana ------------------------------------ Ramirez ------------ Wanyama ----- Schneiderlin ----------- Shaw --------------------------------- Chambers/Clyne -------- Fonte ------ Lovren ----- Yoshida ----------- --------------------- Boruc -------------------------- Subs: K Davis, Targett, Hooiveld, Ward-Prowse, S. Davis, Gallagher, Cork. We really need some new blood. Edited 19 June, 2014 by Colinjb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mulletsaint Posted 19 June, 2014 Share Posted 19 June, 2014 Could a mod merge this and my thread pls? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sydneysaint17 Posted 19 June, 2014 Share Posted 19 June, 2014 At times we played with a back 5 last season. Wanyama sat just in front of defence and Shaw/Clyne/Chambers very high up the flanks. Cork/Ward Prowse/Davis would fill in when the full backs were out of position. There isn't room to play a flat back 3 AND Wanyama in my opninion and given that Koeman is known to play very attacking football, I'd imagine he'd agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shandy_Top_89 Posted 19 June, 2014 Share Posted 19 June, 2014 I see it panning out as a 5-3-2 something more along the lines of this in defence and midfield; -----Lovren-------Fonte---------- Clyne------Wanyama----Shaw---- ---------------------------------- -----------Schneiderlin----------- -------Cork-------Lallana--------- Allows Clyne and Shaw to dart forward with a solid defensive core remaining should we get swiftly countered, not entirely different to how we would usually play with Wanyama available. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itchen_dan Posted 19 June, 2014 Share Posted 19 June, 2014 The system is 5-2-1-2 ---------GK--------- ----CB--CB--CB--- RWB------------LWB ------CM--CM------ --------CAM-------- ------ST-----ST----- The CB's have to be versatile and comfortable being forced wide, which currently, Lovren and Fonte are. One of the 3 will look to bring the ball out of defence. The team will naturally play very narrow and then look to ping the pass wide to the marauding wing back. The 2 CM jobs are to defend and recycle possession to the CAM and wing backs. The CAM always needs to be available in the number 10 pocket. He then picks up the ball and looks to drive forward with the 2 ST playing on the shoulders of the 2 opposition CB's. Whichever side the play is on, the opposite wing back needs to be drifting in and joining the rest of the attack to create a 2 / 3 men overload in the penalty area. Very simple concept but much more difficult to implement. One thing you might well see is the back three often scrambling and running back towards our own goal as they will be dragged out of position covering for the wing backs. Superb system when it pays off (chile, holland, Feyenoord) but can take a good month or so to implement and get used to in a game situation. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 19 June, 2014 Share Posted 19 June, 2014 ---------GK--------- ----CB--CB--CB--- RWB------------LWB ------CM--CM------ --------CAM-------- ------ST-----ST----- Or for people of an age like myself who grew up playing the SNES & Championship Manager on the PC, it's the old Germany system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 19 June, 2014 Share Posted 19 June, 2014 its virtually a back three when wanayama plays anyway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 19 June, 2014 Author Share Posted 19 June, 2014 At times we played with a back 5 last season. Wanyama sat just in front of defence and Shaw/Clyne/Chambers very high up the flanks. Cork/Ward Prowse/Davis would fill in when the full backs were out of position. There isn't room to play a flat back 3 AND Wanyama in my opninion and given that Koeman is known to play very attacking football, I'd imagine he'd agree. I agree. Think Colin's suggestion looks too defensive for me - basically losing one of our best players, a forward, Lambert and his direct replacement being Yoshida, a CB. If we use VW, (or maybe CC) think it can be attacking, holding control of the back with three allowing 5 (for example ) in midfield to be more advanced. Maybe Lovren/ Fonte/Wanyama Clyne, Ramirez, Schneiderlin, Lallana, Shaw Gallagher, Rodriguez Bit academic as squad will change but interested in type of player we may sign to fit system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_Abroad Posted 19 June, 2014 Share Posted 19 June, 2014 I like a 3 CB system but I can't see Yoshida being part of that. Those 3 need to be solid and the manager must have a tremendous amount of confidence in them to hold a back line. As much as I like him, I don't know if I could trust Yoshida back there (that's what she said). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohio Saint Posted 19 June, 2014 Share Posted 19 June, 2014 I like a 3 CB system but I can't see Yoshida being part of that. Those 3 need to be solid and the manager must have a tremendous amount of confidence in them to hold a back line. As much as I like him, I don't know if I could trust Yoshida back there (that's what she said). I agree. I would play Lovren Lovren and Lovren as 3 CBs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 19 June, 2014 Share Posted 19 June, 2014 It wouldnt work with the current personel and I think we will play 433 with a holding midfielder dropping between the two CBs when the FBs bomb on.. Like we do now Imo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohio Saint Posted 19 June, 2014 Share Posted 19 June, 2014 It wouldnt work with the current personel I agree, and for that reason, letting Shaw go for a large wedge of cash would be a good move if we go with 3 CBs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrunkenSaint Posted 19 June, 2014 Share Posted 19 June, 2014 He also likes to play the old Brazil type formation: ------------GK------- -------CB--SW---CB--- WB-----------------WB ---------CM--CM------- -------AM-------AM----- ------------ST---------- Got a friend in Holland and asked him how he thought he would do, he said great! Asked if Pelle is any good ( rumour he wants to come ) he said: A bit nuts but a damn good player, likes to kick sponsor boards and dressing room doors! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noodles34 Posted 19 June, 2014 Share Posted 19 June, 2014 He also likes to play the old Brazil type formation: ------------GK------- -------CB--SW---CB--- WB-----------------WB ---------CM--CM------- -------AM-------AM----- ------------ST---------- Got a friend in Holland and asked him how he thought he would do, he said great! Asked if Pelle is any good ( rumour he wants to come ) he said: A bit nuts but a damn good player, likes to kick sponsor boards and dressing room doors! Excellent, we haven't got a striker like that, oh, hang on...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Paul C Posted 20 June, 2014 Share Posted 20 June, 2014 I think that we'll see an initial tweak leaving us with a structure like this ----------------- GK ------------------- ----------CB ------------ CB ---------- WB ------------ DM --------------- WB ---- AM ------- MC -------- AM ------ ---------- ST ------- ST ------------ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 20 June, 2014 Share Posted 20 June, 2014 Id like to see Chambers as a right sided centre half, so 3 at the back wouldn't necessarily mean Yoshida playing. Personally I think our present full backs are made for that system, but if Shaw goes not sure who would fit in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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