St Marco Posted 18 January, 2009 Share Posted 18 January, 2009 When people have a go at Lowe his supporters or even himself will say he is cutting costs which had to be done. Think all of us can agree that we had to cut costs. However because he is not popular with the local population would that not mean that he is actually bringing in a lot less money then what we could be bringing in? Therefore he is actually making us lose a potentially vast amount of money too? Wouldn't then removing Lowe from the club be seen as cost cutting too? If you get what i mean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 18 January, 2009 Share Posted 18 January, 2009 Add the £30K police bill needed for all future home games directly as a result of Lowes presence and the price we are paying for having him as chairman goes through the roof. Lets guestimate at: 5,000 lost through the gate at an average of £20 + The Police bill @ £30,000 Then Lowe is costing the club £130,000 for ever fixture. X 22 games = roughly £2.8 million lost over a season directly because of Lowe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 18 January, 2009 Share Posted 18 January, 2009 When people have a go at Lowe his supporters or even himself will say he is cutting costs which had to be done. Think all of us can agree that we had to cut costs. However because he is not popular with the local population would that not mean that he is actually bringing in a lot less money then what we could be bringing in? Therefore he is actually making us lose a potentially vast amount of money too? Wouldn't then removing Lowe from the club be seen as cost cutting too? If you get what i mean. Well, we were told that Lowe leaving would bring the fans flooding back, which of course it didn't. If we were in the top 6 this would not be such an issue. If the results improve so will the gates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SW11_Saint Posted 18 January, 2009 Share Posted 18 January, 2009 When people have a go at Lowe his supporters or even himself will say he is cutting costs which had to be done. Think all of us can agree that we had to cut costs. However because he is not popular with the local population would that not mean that he is actually bringing in a lot less money then what we could be bringing in? Therefore he is actually making us lose a potentially vast amount of money too? Wouldn't then removing Lowe from the club be seen as cost cutting too? If you get what i mean. There are cost cutting measures and there are false economies. The problem with Lowe is that he cannot see the difference. Anyone can reduce a wage bill, but true leaders can see beyond that - making cuts where required, but also identifying a path forward and taking your customers (fans) and shareholders with you... Lowe fails on these counts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Paul Posted 18 January, 2009 Share Posted 18 January, 2009 If we were in the top 6 this would not be such an issue. If the results improve so will the gates. Whose in charge of getting the results, and who employed him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Landrew Posted 18 January, 2009 Share Posted 18 January, 2009 Nobody doubts that Rupert is good at balancing the books. He didn't invent his City reputation. But he has a terrible tendancy to shave too much off where it matters to keep investment going, and that is on the pitch. And that investent can't be for the long term, it has to be for the present. In a sense, much as it is a wonderful thing - bugger the academy..! There will be no academy when SFC can no longer afford to run it. There will be no stadium when Saints are no longer in a league where they can fill it. There will be no club when fans turn away for the last time because they have seen enough failure. Wake up FFS..! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SW11_Saint Posted 18 January, 2009 Share Posted 18 January, 2009 Well, we were told that Lowe leaving would bring the fans flooding back, which of course it didn't. If we were in the top 6 this would not be such an issue. If the results improve so will the gates. It actually did - gates were up as we moved into the relegation dogfight last year and the spirit and togetherness was there to be seen by all during the season run-in. All of that dissolved when Lowe came back and inflicted yet another barmy experiment on us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 18 January, 2009 Share Posted 18 January, 2009 If the results improve so will the gates. This is a results driven business. Lowe instigated this Revolutionary Coaching Set Up. Lowe has set the tone and the environment of the Club. Lowe has employed Jan Poortvliet. All of the above has resulted in appalling results, which has then resulted in appalling gates. ERGO the reduced revenue is directly attributable to Lowe. You cannot delegate responsibility. This is a results driven business. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 18 January, 2009 Share Posted 18 January, 2009 There are cost cutting measures and there are false economies. The problem with Lowe is that he cannot see the difference. Anyone can reduce a wage bill, but true leaders can see beyond that - making cuts where required, but also identifying a path forward and taking your customers (fans) and shareholders with you... Lowe fails on these counts. Something I said a while back in that he knows the cost of everything but the value of nothing. Any fool can slash costs, a true entrepenur/leader will look to generate income and engender a spirit of togetherness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Landrew Posted 18 January, 2009 Share Posted 18 January, 2009 Well, we were told that Lowe leaving would bring the fans flooding back, which of course it didn't. If we were in the top 6 this would not be such an issue. If the results improve so will the gates. But they weren't between 8-15,000 and dropping. They were around 17-20,000. You say if we were in the top 6, like it's just a matter of mere circumstance. We're not in the top 6. We're unlikely to be in this league come the end of May. I'm sorry to question your stance on this, SOG, but what part of this club crisis don't you understand..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70's Mike Posted 18 January, 2009 Share Posted 18 January, 2009 not the old lack of money reason. so because we have no money we a) play wingers on the wrong side , so that they can cut in, but give us width b)we drag all 11 back at corners and still fail to mark c) we could not hit a barn door when we shoot, oh i forgot we have had more shots than anyone else problem is only 10 at home and 14 away have hit the target. d)we wait until January to get a center half e)we play 3 at the back yesterday but forget to tell the players We bring in countless players from other teams youth set ups who play once or twice and disappear. We offer season ticket holders the chance to have a 3 course meal for £70 to see a game they have already paid for ( dearest resturant in town) We are clueless on and off the field , the great businessman seems to be able to control costs but has completely forgotten the other side of the equation you need to get some revenue on a regular basis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 18 January, 2009 Share Posted 18 January, 2009 I'm sorry to question your stance on this, SOG, but what part of this club crisis don't you understand..? Don't apologise to him. SOG is stuck in his ways and will argue black is white. If he went to games and payed money following our shower of ****e i'm sure he'd have a different perspective of things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Um Bongo Posted 18 January, 2009 Share Posted 18 January, 2009 No, he is not saving us money. He is in this for HIMSELF only. He's doing like he has done with another of his companies. They went into admin, and he got a very nice payout. He'll do the same with us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 18 January, 2009 Share Posted 18 January, 2009 Nobody doubts that Rupert is good at balancing the books. He didn't invent his City reputation. But he has a terrible tendancy to shave too much off where it matters to keep investment going, and that is on the pitch. And that investent can't be for the long term, it has to be for the present. In a sense, much as it is a wonderful thing - bugger the academy..! There will be no academy when SFC can no longer afford to run it. There will be no stadium when Saints are no longer in a league where they can fill it. There will be no club when fans turn away for the last time because they have seen enough failure. Wake up FFS..! Rupert Lowe never got that there was something different about a football club/team. The bean counters calculations, dividends, business rules just don't apply. Sell good players, buy inferior ones, employ cheap option managers leads to relegation, then look where we are, precisely where the prat who was thinking, dividends, profits, bonuses, I'm in charge, eventually put us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St. Jason Posted 18 January, 2009 Share Posted 18 January, 2009 Well, we were told that Lowe leaving would bring the fans flooding back, which of course it didn't. If we were in the top 6 this would not be such an issue. If the results improve so will the gates. We're not in the top 6 though are we numpty? Also, our average last year without lowe was 21k, this year under lowe our average will be 15k, you do the math!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St. Jason Posted 18 January, 2009 Share Posted 18 January, 2009 Nobody doubts that Rupert is good at balancing the books. He didn't invent his City reputation. But he has a terrible tendancy to shave too much off where it matters to keep investment going, and that is on the pitch. And that investent can't be for the long term, it has to be for the present. In a sense, much as it is a wonderful thing - bugger the academy..! There will be no academy when SFC can no longer afford to run it. There will be no stadium when Saints are no longer in a league where they can fill it. There will be no club when fans turn away for the last time because they have seen enough failure. Wake up FFS..! What " city reputation" where is it?? He was olusted from SFC for over a year, where was the stampede from the financial sector looking for Ruperts service????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 18 January, 2009 Share Posted 18 January, 2009 Well, we were told that Lowe leaving would bring the fans flooding back, which of course it didn't. If we were in the top 6 this would not be such an issue. If the results improve so will the gates. Last year we had 20k a game. This year 15k. So Lowe has cost us at least 5000 x £20 on average = £100k Over 24 homes games that's £2.4million Rupert has cost the club. Forward that sum to the club's bankers and ask them whether he should stay or go? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 18 January, 2009 Share Posted 18 January, 2009 Oh, and I should say that from now on it will be 14,999 as I simply cannot be arsed to watch any more. It's like sitting beside a dying dog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 18 January, 2009 Share Posted 18 January, 2009 Something I said a while back in that he knows the cost of everything but the value of nothing. Any fool can slash costs, a true entrepenur/leader will look to generate income and engender a spirit of togetherness. That's a very good post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Landrew Posted 18 January, 2009 Share Posted 18 January, 2009 What " city reputation" where is it?? He was ousted from SFC for over a year, where was the stampede from the financial sector looking for Ruperts service????? He, along with some other notable City go-getters, formulated the FTSE 100. For quite a while in the 80s, he made a few moves. That's his claim to fame. If you want detail, look it up, because I'm not at all enthusiastic in trying to convince anybody of the man's worthiness to chair SLH. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fowllyd Posted 18 January, 2009 Share Posted 18 January, 2009 What " city reputation" where is it?? He was olusted from SFC for over a year, where was the stampede from the financial sector looking for Ruperts service????? I was about to post pretty much the same thing. I'm not at all convinced by all the stuff about Lowe being a major player in the City. What's his latest gig? Chairman of a provincial firm of stockbrokers. Scarcely making big waves in the square mile then. And how did he get that particular gig? Via his Old Radleian chum Lord Marland. Lowe was born into wealth and he still has wealth. And if you're born rich, staying that way is a piece of p1ss; getting richer is pretty easy too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 18 January, 2009 Share Posted 18 January, 2009 I've been saying this ever since he came back. He doesn't understand an entertainment business that depends on attracting people to watch what you're offering. There will always be a solid core of regular supporters but there are thousands of discretionary punters who are not prepared to pay to watch second-rate and reserve-team players. If you budget for League 1 then that is what you will get. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SW11_Saint Posted 18 January, 2009 Share Posted 18 January, 2009 Something I said a while back in that he knows the cost of everything but the value of nothing. Any fool can slash costs, a true entrepenur/leader will look to generate income and engender a spirit of togetherness. Exactly right. This has always been his weakness. I also recall the Simon Jordan article about him in The Osbserver a couple of years ago "... nothing behind the eyes". Spot on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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