PaulSaint Posted 23 January, 2009 Share Posted 23 January, 2009 So here is Wottes Profile / CV according to the official site. http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/team/?page_id=6587&player_id=157 Mark Wotte was appointed Head Coach on 23rd January 2009, following the resignation of fellow Dutchman Jan Poortvliet. He came tantalisingly close to landing the Saints job in December 2005 when George Burley was appointed instead. He holds a UEFA Pro Licence and played for Feyenoord and ADO The Hague before injury ended his career in 1986. Wotte ran the Dutch Olympic Under 21 side and was a technical director at Feyenoord. He likes to play the traditional Dutch attacking football, building from the back with a neat, technical passing game fired by talented young players who can outrun and outwork the opposition. He has an extensive track record of bringing on youngsters and great experience of organising academy structures. Fact file Mark Wotte played for Feyenoord and ADO The Hague before injury ended career in 1986. Coaching Experience Youth Coach U.17 and U.19 ADO The Hague 1986-1992 Assistant Coach First Team ADO The Hague 1992-1994 Academy Manager ADO The Hague 1990-1994 Head-Coach FC Lisse 2nd division 1994-1996 ADO The Hague 1st division 1996-1998 FC Utrecht Premier League 1998-2000 Dutch National Team Under 19 2000-2002 Dutch National Olympic Team Under 21 2000-2002 International Scout National Team Holland 2000-2002 Willem II Tilburg Premier League 2002-2004 Director of Football Feyenoord Rotterdam Premier League 2004-2006 Manager: Ismailia SC Egypt Premier League 2006-2007 Head-Coach: R.K.C. Waalwijk Premier League 2007 Al Ahli Doha Qatar 1st Division 2007-2008 I dont trust this info on the OS and feel it needs to be examined and expanded (sackings, promotions, etc) in detail. His Wikipaedia entry is very lacking, anyone know a better site or maybe we have some Dutch Football experts on here who can help? :confused: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Channon's Sideburns Posted 23 January, 2009 Share Posted 23 January, 2009 **** me...outrun and overwork opposition?? Christ, don't think McGoalkick will be getting a game then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 23 January, 2009 Share Posted 23 January, 2009 Omission No. 1????? His time at Den Bosch circa 2000 ending in relegation and financial meltdown. Saint Martini, maybe you can throw some light on Wotte's involvement just prior to when Vloet/Poortvliet came in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 23 January, 2009 Share Posted 23 January, 2009 You didn't trust the official site so you turned to Wikipedia - that reliable fountain of knowledge for football matters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ooh it's a corner Posted 23 January, 2009 Share Posted 23 January, 2009 erm, so in summary this is his 11th position since 2000? i'm not sure i would recruit him on that basis alone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 23 January, 2009 Share Posted 23 January, 2009 No. 2 He resigned as Technical Director of Feyenoord in 2005 not 2006. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 23 January, 2009 Share Posted 23 January, 2009 FC Utrecht are not a tiny club, it's CCC level certainly, does anyone know how he did there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_stevo Posted 23 January, 2009 Share Posted 23 January, 2009 its pronounced Votter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulSaint Posted 23 January, 2009 Author Share Posted 23 January, 2009 Update #1 (new bits in red) Coaching Experience Youth Coach U.17 and U.19 ADO The Hague 1986-1992 Assistant Coach First Team ADO The Hague 1992-1994 Academy Manager ADO The Hague 1990-1994 Head-Coach FC Lisse 2nd division 1994-1996 ADO The Hague 1st division 1996-1998 FC Utrecht Premier League 1998-2000 Den Bosch 2000 - relegation and financial meltdown Dutch National Team Under 19 2000-2002 Dutch National Olympic Team Under 21 2000-2002 International Scout National Team Holland 2000-2002 Willem II Tilburg Premier League 2002-2004 Director of Football Feyenoord Rotterdam Premier League 2004-2005 - Resigned Manager: Ismailia SC Egypt Premier League 2006-2007 Head-Coach: R.K.C. Waalwijk Premier League 2007 Al Ahli Doha Qatar 1st Division 2007-2008 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorgiesaint Posted 23 January, 2009 Share Posted 23 January, 2009 (edited) Best I can do at this time of night, but looking at Wotte's record at the major clubs - it reads like this The Eredivsie which the top league in Holland The Eerstedivisie (now the Jupiler League) which is their 2nd division 91-92 FC Den Haag - Eredivisie 16th out of 18 - relegated 96-97 ADO Den Haag - Eerstedivise 8th out of 18 97-98 ADO Den Haag - Eerstedivisie 5th out of 18 98-99 FC Utrecht - Eredivisie 12th out of 18 99-00 FC Den Bosch - Eredivisie 18th out of 18 - relegated* 02-03 Willem II - Eredivisie 11th out of 18 03-04 Willem II - Eredivisie 7th out of 18 06-07 RKC Waalwijk - Eredivisie 17th out of 18 - relegated * Wotte was only at Den Bosch for the last few months of the season, but appears couldn't help them Unfortunately this doesn't bode well, he's had lots of practice at being relegated!! As Paulsaint points out later - finishing 16th or 17th usually means a playoff for promotion/relegation - 18th is the only place that usually gets straight relegation (if my memory serves me correctly) Edited 24 January, 2009 by Gorgiesaint relegation issues Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulSaint Posted 23 January, 2009 Author Share Posted 23 January, 2009 (edited) Found this: "At the end of the season 2006/07, RKC Waalwijk were relegated from the Eredivisie after a defeat in play-offs against VVV-Venlo." Please tell me that Wotte wasnt responsible for this too! Why the hell did Lowe want Wotte before turning to Burley- His record is Crap! Edited 24 January, 2009 by PaulSaint needed a space, rednapp bit wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_stevo Posted 23 January, 2009 Share Posted 23 January, 2009 Found this: "At the end of the season 2006/07, RKC Waalwijk were relegated from the Eredivisie after a defeat in play-offs against VVV-Venlo." Please tell me that Wotte wasnt responsible for this too! Why the hell did Lowe want Wotte before turning to Redknapp - His record is Crap! it was pre-Burley not saggy chops Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 24 January, 2009 Share Posted 24 January, 2009 erm, so in summary this is his 11th position since 2000? i'm not sure i would recruit him on that basis alone LOL.... please everyone maintain a sense of humour over this disaster! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulSaint Posted 24 January, 2009 Author Share Posted 24 January, 2009 Found in an old Echo Archive: "Alan Ball told the Daily Echo that Lowe would be "gambling with Saints' future" if he appointed Wotte as the club's ninth manager in eight years. Wotte, meanwhile, has revealed that he was recommended to Saints by a former England Under-21 coach, believed to be former head coach and head of youth Steve Wigley, who is now the reserve team manager at Manchester City." We are as they say Fooked! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 24 January, 2009 Share Posted 24 January, 2009 Found in an old Echo Archive: "Alan Ball told the Daily Echo that Lowe would be "gambling with Saints' future" if he appointed Wotte as the club's ninth manager in eight years. Wotte, meanwhile, has revealed that he was recommended to Saints by a former England Under-21 coach, believed to be former head coach and head of youth Steve Wigley, who is now the reserve team manager at Manchester City." We are as they say Fooked! LOL.... Paul... You sir are a detective genius of the highest order! Lowe has always really ****ed up with a managerial choice before being humiliated... its about to happen all over again Rupert. LOL! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulSaint Posted 24 January, 2009 Author Share Posted 24 January, 2009 Also found this, also not listed on his OS Profile? "It had been a strange season for Roda JC. They sacked Belgian boss Georges Leekins early in the season despite that fact that he had seen them to European football for the last two seasons and appointed Mark Wotte who had recently resigned from his role at Vitesse Arnheim. This hadn’t been the most astute move by the Roda board and they were now battling to avoid relegation. " Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulSaint Posted 24 January, 2009 Author Share Posted 24 January, 2009 Were Spurs interested in Wotte in 2005? http://tottenhamhotspur.blogspot.com/2005/07/are-spurs-lining-up-new-sporting.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulSaint Posted 24 January, 2009 Author Share Posted 24 January, 2009 Wow he managed a team at the top, but then got homesick: "Wotte currently coach Egyptian leaders Ismaelia.Wotte missed his wife and children and preferred a move back to the Netherlands." Thats your lot, off to bed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graffito Posted 24 January, 2009 Share Posted 24 January, 2009 He's been nowhere for long. Looks like we've got a right one here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 24 January, 2009 Share Posted 24 January, 2009 I'd love... just love to hear Grahem Hiley's take on all this... Go on Graham... its time... tell us what you really know and feel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 24 January, 2009 Share Posted 24 January, 2009 Well, his record is better then Poortvliets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.comsaint Posted 24 January, 2009 Share Posted 24 January, 2009 I Googled "Mark Wotte" under Google images...and got this! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iowsaintsfan Posted 24 January, 2009 Share Posted 24 January, 2009 He's been nowhere for long. Looks like we've got a right one here. Least that could be a good thing! I know clutching at straws! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 24 January, 2009 Share Posted 24 January, 2009 He's been nowhere for long. Looks like we've got a right one here. He'll be gone before the end of the season IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Martini Posted 24 January, 2009 Share Posted 24 January, 2009 Omission No. 1????? His time at Den Bosch circa 2000 ending in relegation and financial meltdown. Saint Martini, maybe you can throw some light on Wotte's involvement just prior to when Vloet/Poortvliet came in. That CV actually looks ok, the thing at Den Bosch I think was that the club went into admin and couldn't afford Wotte anymore (or he didn't want to wreck his "reputation") and he left after which Poortvliet took over and got Den Bosch promoted. The thing with Wotte is that he never manages to stay anywhere long and even though he has held higher profile jobs then Poortvliet I don't think he's a better manager. He just comes over a bit more sophisticated and has more smooth talk. It might work on the short term but I can guarantee you he will be gone with 1.5 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Martini Posted 24 January, 2009 Share Posted 24 January, 2009 On the plus side, in Holland Wotte often played 4-4-2 with his team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint1977 Posted 24 January, 2009 Share Posted 24 January, 2009 Found in an old Echo Archive: "Alan Ball told the Daily Echo that Lowe would be "gambling with Saints' future" if he appointed Wotte as the club's ninth manager in eight years. Wotte, meanwhile, has revealed that he was recommended to Saints by a former England Under-21 coach, believed to be former head coach and head of youth Steve Wigley, who is now the reserve team manager at Manchester City." We are as they say Fooked! Wotte recommended by Wigley - two Rupert Lowe disasters for the price of one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Topcat Posted 24 January, 2009 Share Posted 24 January, 2009 So we have gone from Portaloo to Wotthefuk let us pray that he has learned from all the relegations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spyinthesky Posted 24 January, 2009 Share Posted 24 January, 2009 And to think we giggled at the club down the road when they appointed Alain Perrain and brought in 5' tall Japanese 'keeper. We have the Dutch Duo and Ant Pulis!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulSaint Posted 24 January, 2009 Author Share Posted 24 January, 2009 And to think we giggled at the club down the road when they appointed Alain Perrain and brought in 5' tall Japanese 'keeper. We have the Dutch Duo and Ant Pulis!! Didnt we also giggle when they appointed Adams from within after Recrap left. Just like us with Gray & Wigley I thought, it wont work. Lowe then does it again - I now believe that Lowe has a mental health issue or he wants us to go bust so he can buy us for 37p & a pack of Polo's? :fball: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Martini Posted 24 January, 2009 Share Posted 24 January, 2009 Didnt we also giggle when they appointed Adams from within after Recrap left. Just like us with Gray & Wigley I thought, it wont work. Lowe then does it again - I now believe that Lowe has a mental health issue or he wants us to go bust so he can buy us for 37p & a pack of Polo's? :fball: To be fair, Wotte does have a lot more experience of coaching at the highest level then Wigley. I'm not sure if this is the same thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 24 January, 2009 Share Posted 24 January, 2009 That CV actually looks ok, the thing at Den Bosch I think was that the club went into admin and couldn't afford Wotte anymore (or he didn't want to wreck his "reputation") and he left after which Poortvliet took over and got Den Bosch promoted. I understand that Wotte took over at Den Bosch in the middle of the season when they were in the top division. By the end of that season, they were relegated and they had gone into administration. Just hope lightning doesn't strike twice!!!!!!!!! (I find it rather ironic that Jan's temporary role in stepping in for Vloet and earning promotion was bigged up on the OS, yet there is absolutely no mention of Wotte's role in relegation and administration the season prior). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
offix Posted 24 January, 2009 Share Posted 24 January, 2009 I understand that Wotte took over at Den Bosch in the middle of the season when they were in the top division. By the end of that season, they were relegated and they had gone into administration. Just hope lightning doesn't strike twice!!!!!!!!! (I find it rather ironic that Jan's temporary role in stepping in for Vloet and earning promotion was bigged up on the OS, yet there is absolutely no mention of Wotte's role in relegation and administration the season prior). Correct. All this talk about "his experience at a high level" refers to some of his past jobs, not his successes (there are none, which is why he is never anywhere long) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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