Wilde has no place at southampton fc

[fos1]

When Michael Wilde cut and run and fled SMS last Saturday, which was as soon as the anti-Lowe chants started, he wouldn't even walk to his car despite the match having 20 minutes to run. Instead he had a steward fetch it and leave it at the entrance. Talk about running scared.

This man has no back bone. He knows he can withdraw his support for Lowe but won't despite the fact Lowe does not even bother to talk to him any more.Wilde you have no place at Southampton football club you caused this mess please leave.

[SaintRobbie]

Unless ... he proxy's his shares now to Crouch.

 

 

 

Mike can still be a hero at Southampton FC. But he needs to sack Lowe forever VERY QUICKLY.

[Channon's Sideburns]

When Michael Wilde cut and run and fled SMS last Saturday, which was as soon as the anti-Lowe chants started, he wouldn't even walk to his car despite the match having 20 minutes to run. Instead he had a steward fetch it and leave it at the entrance. Talk about running scared.

This man has no back bone. He knows he can withdraw his support for Lowe but won't despite the fact Lowe does not even bother to talk to him any more.Wilde you have no place at Southampton football club you caused this mess please leave.

 

So then Mike if your shareholding is worth less each day, why not sell to Leon if you haven't got the kahunas to kick Lowe out yourself.

[Mole]

Lowe does not even bother to talk to him any more.

 

[Fitzhugh Fella]

Unless ... he proxy's his shares now to Crouch.

 

 

 

Mike can still be a hero at Southampton FC. But he needs to sack Lowe forever VERY QUICKLY.

 

Robbie - I don't think ther eis much chance of him ever being a hero.

I heard some interesting stuff yesterday from someone who "knows" Wilde very well and was on the inside when he was Chairman.

 

Firstly there was that club phtotographer who was sacked after the away match at Sunderland. He and Wilde were in the hotel bar drinking well into the small hours and Wilde asked him if he liked working for SFC. He said he did but the recent arrival of Andy Oldknow had made life a bit unpleasant for the employees. Wilde said leave it to me I will sort it. On the Monday Wilde went into Hone's office to say that Oldknow was upsetting the staff. Hone basically told Wilde to get on his bike, called the young lad in and sacked him saying if he dared take it to tribunal "the whole might and legal power of Southampton FC would come down on him". Wilde never uttered another word of protest about the matter.

 

When Wilde resigned I was convinced that the execs "had something on him" and my source is equally convinced. As we know Wilde allegedly liked a bit of a salacious night out and once took the players to a Bournemouth strip club. Some of the younger players couldn't get in so he rounded them all up and took them to another similar club in Portsmouth. Hone often boasted that he knew everything Wilde was up to, how much he was drinking and who he was with wherever in the World he was. On the day before Wilde resigned he was acting normally, full of confidence and bravado and yet 24 hours later, when his resignation was announced he was virtually a broken man. My source saw Wilde 5 minutes after the announcement and Wilde was a completely changed character saying things "well I needed more time at home etc etc". This made my source very suspicious especially as he was rarely at the club and often missed board meetings and the like.

 

There is no doubt there is more to Wilde than meets the eye but one thing is for certain he has no back bone and cannot be trusted. As kingmaker he holds the future of our club in his hands and he must be made, by hook or by crook, to concede power to people who will look after this club in a proper fashion.

Edited 24 January, 2009 by Fitzhugh Fella

[alpine_saint]

When Michael Wilde cut and run and fled SMS last Saturday, which was as soon as the anti-Lowe chants started, he wouldn't even walk to his car despite the match having 20 minutes to run. Instead he had a steward fetch it and leave it at the entrance. Talk about running scared.

This man has no back bone. He knows he can withdraw his support for Lowe but won't despite the fact Lowe does not even bother to talk to him any more.Wilde you have no place at Southampton football club you caused this mess please leave.

 

Au contraire.

 

I reckon events of yesterday evening mean Wilde is starting to make a stand against Lowe.

[alpine_saint]

Robbie - I don't think ther eis much chance of him ever being a hero.

I heard some interesting stuff yesterday from someone who "knows" Wilde very well and was on the inside when he was Chairman.

 

Firstly there was that club phtotographer who was sacked after the away match at Sunderland. He and Wilde were in the hotel bar drinking well into the small hours and Wilde asked hom if he liked working for SFC. He said he did but the recent arrival of Andy Oldknow had made life a bit unpleasant for the employees. Wilde said leave it to me I will sort it. On the Monday Wilde went into Hone's office to say that Oldknow was upsetting the staff. Hone basically told Wilde to get on his bike, called the young lad in and sacked him saying if he dared take it to tribunal "the whole might and legal power of Southampton FC would come down on him". Wilde never uttered another word of protest about the matter.

 

When Wilde resigned I was convinced that the execs "had something on him" and my source is equally convinced. As we know Wilde liked a bit of a salacious night out and once took the players to a Bournemouth strip club. Some of the younger players couldn't get in so he rounded them all up and took them to another similar club in Portsmouth. Hone often boasted that he knew everything Wilde was up to, how much he was drinking and who he was with wherever in the World he was. On the day before Wilde resigned he was acting normally, full of confidence and bravado and yet 24 hours later, when his resignation was announced he was virtually a broken man. My source saw Wilde 5 minutes after the announcement and Wilde was a completely changed character saying things "well I needed more time at home etc etc". This made my source very suspicious especially as he was rarely at the club and often missed board meetings and the like.

 

There is no doubt there is more to Wilde than meets the eye but one thing is for certain he has no back bone and cannot be trusted. As kingmaker he holds the future of our club in his hands and he must be made, by hook or by crook, to concede power to people who will look after this club in a proper fashion.

 

Jesus H Christ, Dunc, you've put yourself out on a limb a bit here....

[um pahars]

Au contraire.

 

I reckon events of yesterday evening mean Wilde is starting to make a stand against Lowe.

 

I don't think so.

 

I think Lowe conceded Poortvliet had to go (I think he was given the choice to resign or be sacked) as he couldn't argue with our league position, but the appointment of Wotte has Lowe written all over it again.

 

Wilde, probably aided by Cowen, got Lowe to see sense with regards Poortvliet, but he soon got his way again employing Wotte and continuing with this mad experiment.

 

Whatever Wilde might say, Lowe is still pulling the strings and his decisions are leading us into oblivion.

 

It's time for Wilde to say enough is enough, force the issue and even if he doesn't want Crouch in day to day control then he has to lead the appointment of a new manager and a new CEO.

[alpine_saint]

I don't think so.

 

I think Lowe conceded Poortvliet had to go (I think he was given the choice to resign or be sacked) as he couldn't argue with our league position, but the appointment of Wotte has Lowe written all over it again.

 

Wilde, probably aided by Cowen, got Lowe to see sense with regards Poortvliet, but he soon got his way again employing Wotte and continuing with this mad experiment.

 

Whatever Wilde might say, Lowe is still pulling the strings and his decisions are leading us into oblivion.

 

It's time for Wilde to say enough is enough, force the issue and even if he doesn't want Crouch in day to day control then he has to lead the appointment of a new manager and a new CEO.

 

Arent we sort of agreeing ? You are saying that Wilde had some influence on events finally, after ridiculous passivity for the season so far.

[trousers]

Jesus H Christ, Dunc, you've put yourself out on a limb a bit here....

 

...or he may just have saved our football club by getting things out into the open....?

[Iowsaintsfan]

...or he may just have saved our football club by getting things out into the open....?

 

Or at least opened the lid on a very large can of worms

[alpine_saint]

...or he may just have saved our football club by getting things out into the open....?

 

I agree - if Wilde's skeletons are out of the cupboard, he shouldnt fear acting against Lowe.

 

But Dunc may suffer personal consequences from this.....

[um pahars]

Arent we sort of agreeing ? You are saying that Wilde had some influence on events finally, after ridiculous passivity for the season so far.

 

Sort of, but only in that Lowe had no other real choice but to concedce that Poortvliet was out of his depth. I don't think Wilde has started to make a stand, merely Cowen and Wilde just said this isn't working.

 

However, Lowe's overall strategy remains in place and he is still persevering with this mad experiment.

 

He is still the one in control, and for some reason Wilde is like a rabbit in the headlights fazed by Lowe.

 

Lowe was intrinsically linked to Poortvliet, his name was all over it and his future should have rested on it's success or failure. But instead it goes tts up and Wilde just sits back and says, "Go on, have another go Rupert".

 

Unbelievable and as much as I question Lowe's judgement and ability on appointing and retaining managers, you have ot question Wilde's tacit support of him.

 

IMHO the only thing holding Wilde back is:

 

a) He does not want Crouch back in any shape or form,

 

b) He does not have the balls to make these decisions, instead he is happy to play second fiddle to someone else,

 

c) He doesn't want Lowe to shout at him.

 

The time has come for Wilde as the largest shareholder in this Club to assert his rights and do what is right for this Club.

 

And that means burying the hatchet with whoever and accept that this "revolutionary coaching set up" is doomed to failure.

 

Then he meeds to lead the search for a new manager and a new CEO/Chairman. I don't want Crouch in day to day charge of this Club, but that is absolutely no excuse for continuing with Lowe or Wotte.

 

And exactly the same can be said for Mike Richards and Guy Askham.

 

If these three do not have the balls or the nous to call for a change, then they are as guilty as Lowe and Cowen for the demise, and possible death of this Club.

 

These three can change the future of this Club, or they can stay silent and be complicit in it's demise.

[Toomer]

Jesus H Christ, Dunc, you've put yourself out on a limb a bit here....

One thing is for sure alps is that you can be sure that if there was no truth behind it Duncan would not have posted it. A chap I work with his son in law is employed by the club and he has told me of other people leaving under similar circumstances.

[saint1977]

Sort of, but only in that Lowe had no other real choice but to concedce that Poortvliet was out of his depth. I don't think Wilde has started to make a stand, merely Cowen and Wilde just said this isn't working.

 

However, Lowe's overall strategy remains in place and he is still persevering with this mad experiment.

 

He is still the one in control, and for some reason Wilde is like a rabbit in the headlights fazed by Lowe.

 

Lowe was intrinsically linked to Poortvliet, his name was all over it and his future should have rested on it's success or failure. But instead it goes tts up and Wilde just sits back and says, "Go on, have another go Rupert".

 

Unbelievable and as much as I question Lowe's judgement and ability on appointing and retaining managers, you have ot question Wilde's tacit support of him.

 

IMHO the only thing holding Wilde back is:

 

a) He does not want Crouch back in any shape or form,

 

b) He does not have the balls to make these decisions, instead he is happy to play second fiddle to someone else,

 

c) He doesn't want Lowe to shout at him.

 

The time has come for Wilde as the largest shareholder in this Club to assert his rights and do what is right for this Club.

 

And that means burying the hatchet with whoever and accept that this "revolutionary coaching set up" is doomed to failure.

 

Then he meeds to lead the search for a new manager and a new CEO/Chairman. I don't want Crouch in day to day charge of this Club, but that is absolutely no excuse for continuing with Lowe or Wotte.

 

And exactly the same can be said for Mike Richards and Guy Askham.

 

If these three do not have the balls or the nous to call for a change, then they are as guilty as Lowe and Cowen for the demise, and possible death of this Club.

 

These three can change the future of this Club, or they can stay silent and be complicit in it's demise.

 

Askham and Richards are not fans and have made a lot of money out of the club via their grubby dealings in the 1990s. Don't expect any favours from them.

[Snowballs2]

Whilst Lowe is the centre of attention,and, rightly taking an awful lot of flak from us, the main culprit is Wilde.

As Duncan has said he has no backbone, he is standing by totally unconcerned watching the last death throws of our club.

In the scheme of things Wilde MUST be exposed as the main threat to the future of our club.

Whilst the planned demonstrations will focus on Lowe, I truely believe that it needs to be refocused on Wilde.

I am no lover of Lowe as most on here know, but the reality is that only Wilde can change things.

[John B]

Whilst Lowe is the centre of attention,and, rightly taking an awful lot of flak from us, the main culprit is Wilde.

As Duncan has said he has no backbone, he is standing by totally unconcerned watching the last death throws of our club.

In the scheme of things Wilde MUST be exposed as the main threat to the future of our club.

Whilst the planned demonstrations will focus on Lowe, I truely believe that it needs to be refocused on Wilde.

I am no lover of Lowe as most on here know, but the reality is that only Wilde can change things.

 

 

For once Snowballs I am in complete agreement.

 

Lowe did not comeback on his own he was brought back by Wilde

 

It was Wilde who brought in the EXECs who really have wrecked the club

[saint1977]

For once Snowballs I am in complete agreement.

 

Lowe did not comeback on his own he was brought back by Wilde

 

It was Wilde who brought in the EXECs who really have wrecked the club

 

In which case John, join us in boycotting the Swansea game. I agree that Wilde and Askham should be the focus of the march and protests outside SMS, Lowe is almost a side issue at 5.5% share and he pops up on far too many posts. Wilde could remove Lowe today if he wished to. Wilde needs to be held to account for the mess since 2006 - although the slide began well before that - and a totally empty SMS bar a small pocket of Swansea fans would do it. Imagine the reporter on Soccer Saturday on Sky with an empty stadium and echoing sounds behind them. That would say to Wilde "time to go" more effectively than confronting a steward or singing a song.

[Snowballs2]

In which case John, join us in boycotting the Swansea game. I agree that Wilde and Askham should be the focus of the march and protests outside SMS, Lowe is almost a side issue at 5.5% share and he pops up on far too many posts. Wilde could remove Lowe today if he wished to. Wilde needs to be held to account for the mess since 2006 - although the slide began well before that - and a totally empty SMS bar a small pocket of Swansea fans would do it. Imagine the reporter on Soccer Saturday on Sky with an empty stadium and echoing sounds behind them. That would say to Wilde "time to go" more effectively than confronting a steward or singing a song.

 

 

 

You will NEVER get a stadium empty of Saints fans, opinions rightly or wrongly are different and diverse, that is what makes our society and life special.

Some fans would support a dead dog in a red and white Saints shirt, they will be the ones wringing their hands when the last death throws of Saints have taken place.

As they say in Yorkshire "theres nowt so queer as folk"

[saint1977]

You will NEVER get a stadium empty of Saints fans, opinions rightly or wrongly are different and diverse, that is what makes our society and life special.

Some fans would support a dead dog in a red and white Saints shirt, they will be the ones wringing their hands when the last death throws of Saints have taken place.

As they say in Yorkshire "theres nowt so queer as folk"

 

You are right but if we can minimise the REAL gate to 5-6000 - the STs have already spent their money - what a message it would send. We've tried everything else to shift Askham and co. I remember what did for Branfoot in the end - that 9000 - and it was less than that on the night I reckon - V Ipswich.

[John B]

In which case John, join us in boycotting the Swansea game. I agree that Wilde and Askham should be the focus of the march and protests outside SMS, Lowe is almost a side issue at 5.5% share and he pops up on far too many posts. Wilde could remove Lowe today if he wished to. Wilde needs to be held to account for the mess since 2006 - although the slide began well before that - and a totally empty SMS bar a small pocket of Swansea fans would do it. Imagine the reporter on Soccer Saturday on Sky with an empty stadium and echoing sounds behind them. That would say to Wilde "time to go" more effectively than confronting a steward or singing a song.

 

Obviously something needs to be done with ownership of the club which I would have thought Lowe Crouch and Wilde would have agreed with.

 

However all this boycotting and negativity I feel is having an effect on the team it certainly got to JP which made his job even worse.

 

It is not surprising that they must be apprehensive at home if they read the forums etc.

 

 

I just feel making life unpleasant for the board at is counter productive at the moment.

 

If these protests were to lead to the exit of the current board and that we were not relegated and did not go into administration I would fully support the boycott but I just feel they are making the situation worse.

 

But time will tell I would have thought that with the law of averages we should win a few home games this season but I fully realise we shall have to score a few goals.

 

I think the season turned against us when against Blackpool we had a couple of shots kicked off the line and gave away a stupid penalty if we had won that game confidence would have been fine and we may well have progresses a whole lot better.

 

We are where we are but it is not over yet

[saint1977]

Obviously something needs to be done with ownership of the club which I would have thought Lowe Crouch and Wilde would have agreed with.

 

However all this boycotting and negativity I feel is having an effect on the team it certainly got to JP which made his job even worse.

 

It is not surprising that they must be apprehensive at home if they read the forums etc.

 

 

I just feel making life unpleasant for the board at is counter productive at the moment.

 

If these protests were to lead to the exit of the current board and that we were not relegated and did not go into administration I would fully support the boycott but I just feel they are making the situation worse.

 

But time will tell I would have thought that with the law of averages we should win a few home games this season but I fully realise we shall have to score a few goals.

 

I think the season turned against us when against Blackpool we had a couple of shots kicked off the line and gave away a stupid penalty if we had won that game confidence would have been fine and we may well have progresses a whole lot better.

 

We are where we are but it is not over yet

 

Trouble is John, Blackpool murdered us second half - Davis made 2 of the best saves I've ever seen at SMS and they had 2 goals disallowed that were borderline. Granted, McG nearly grabbed what would have been daylight robbery at the end when he hit the woodwork but you are right to highlight it as a key turning point. That said, I think the board with it's severe lack of football knowledge, thought that these kids could learn on the job in the CCC which was stupidly naive. As in any job, you an only grow ito it if you have the attributes and even then you need to be ready as well.

 

One day hopefully John, even if there is much more pain to endure, we can all be united as a fanbase again like we were in campaiging for Stoneham and SMS and feel a common identity as Saints fans. Staying in the PL on 15k gates meant so much to us and I defended us to anyone who sneered or slagged us off - which the likes of Rodney Dickhead Marsh often did. Now, that spirit and togetherness is long gone but hopefully not forever.

[Plumstead_Saint]

Why not boycott the first 10/15 minutes of the game, waiting outside the ground, or even in the concourse?

That would make a big impression for all the media, and when people piled in to watch the game they would give a big boost to the team.

Just a thought.

[John B]

Trouble is John, Blackpool murdered us second half - Davis made 2 of the best saves I've ever seen at SMS and they had 2 goals disallowed that were borderline. Granted, McG nearly grabbed what would have been daylight robbery at the end when he hit the woodwork but you are right to highlight it as a key turning point. That said, I think the board with it's severe lack of football knowledge, thought that these kids could learn on the job in the CCC which was stupidly naive. As in any job, you an only grow ito it if you have the attributes and even then you need to be ready as well.

 

 

Yes agree but before that penalty I was fairly confident but after it I just thought thats it we need some luck and we are not getting it and in those circumstances teams get worse.

 

Then Killer was awful as well so we were lucky not to concede more.

 

If he had been fit like in our last season in the Premiership things may well have been different

[TopGun]

I agree - if Wilde's skeletons are out of the cupboard, he shouldnt fear acting against Lowe.

 

But Dunc may suffer personal consequences from this.....

 

Why? His views about the current regime are well known? Will he become an ex-ex-club historian?