What Is Happening To Our Country?

[Weston Super Saint]

2 hours ago, Doctoroncall said:

Nice to see he still wants to be left alone and have no media attention. 

I think that was only the bit before the money ran out.

[Lighthouse]

Concorde did not revolutionise anything. It was a spectacular piece of engineering and my favourite aircraft, however the much less glamourous Airbus A300 was far more 'revolutionary' in terms of moving the industry forward.

[Sir Ralph]

36 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cv2dwylkl7weo

By the way, we're being positioned to go back into the EU.

I assume another referendum will be required? If so we need to negotiate good terms with the eu or the electorate won’t vote for it

[tdmickey3]

53 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cv2dwylkl7weo

By the way, we're being positioned to go back into the EU.

Hopefully it will happen

[Farmer Saint]

16 minutes ago, Sir Ralph said:

I assume another referendum will be required? If so we need to negotiate good terms with the eu or the electorate won’t vote for it

I think Labour will call a GE and campaign on it.

[badgerx16]

15 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

I think Labour will call a GE and campaign on it.

Not for the next GE, but possibly the one after.

[Sir Ralph]

1 hour ago, Farmer Saint said:

I think Labour will call a GE and campaign on it.

Yes but will it still need a referendum even if they are re elected? Assume it would

[egg]

1 hour ago, Lighthouse said:

Concorde did not revolutionise anything. It was a spectacular piece of engineering and my favourite aircraft, however the much less glamourous Airbus A300 was far more 'revolutionary' in terms of moving the industry forward.

It's subjective. A plane that carried passengers across the Atlantic in a few hours, back then, was revolutionary imo. Some may argue evolutionary.

Re space ex, whilst getting into low orbit space, in rockets that can be used again is impressive, I'm not sure that 60 years after man apparently landed in the moon, such an advance is any more revolutionary than concorde was way back then. 

Each to their own, but I don't sit here wowed by what Musk has done. 

[Sheaf Saint]

5 minutes ago, Sir Ralph said:

Yes but will it still need a referendum even if they are re elected? Assume it would

Not really. The Tories didn't have to hold the last one, and they didn't have to act on the result of it either, what with it not being legally binding.

Edited 1 hour ago by Sheaf Saint

[Sir Ralph]

29 minutes ago, Sheaf Saint said:

Not really. The Tories didn't have to hold the last one, and they didn't have to act on the result of it either, what with it not being legally binding.

Fair enough I’m not sure of the legalities of leaving and rejoining. I suspect Labour may GE campaign on a referendum being put to the people in the knowledge I suspect that more than 50% will vote to rejoin 

Edited 1 hour ago by Sir Ralph

[badgerx16]

35 minutes ago, Sir Ralph said:

Yes but will it still need a referendum even if they are re elected? Assume it would

We didn't have one last time we joined.

[Sir Ralph]

6 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

We didn't have one last time we joined.

Yes as I said I’m not sure so assume you’re correct. Politically Labour may want a referendum so it isn’t criticised for being “undemocratic” as people may argue that Labour voters voted for them and other policies not EU membership solely. That’s a political decision. Would be interesting to see the terms the EU offers us, bearing in mind we left but that they also want to offer attractive enough terms that we rejoin (through whatever mechanism that is). If the terms aren’t perceived to be good and labour are basing their GE campaign on this, it would reduce its chances of being reelected 

Edited 53 minutes ago by Sir Ralph

[badgerx16]

24 minutes ago, Sir Ralph said:

Yes as I said I’m not sure so assume you’re correct. Politically Labour may want a referendum so it isn’t criticised for being “undemocratic” as people may argue that Labour voters voted for them and other policies not EU membership solely. That’s a political decision. Would be interesting to see the terms the EU offers us, bearing in mind we left but that they also want to offer attractive enough terms that we rejoin (through whatever mechanism that is). If the terms aren’t perceived to be good and labour are basing their GE campaign on this, it would reduce its chances of being reelected 

1) I am. However, we did have a ( non-binding ) referendum a couple of years later on amended terms of membership. ( Over 67% voted to stay ).

2) For the UK to rejoin, the EU would have to unanimously agree to forgo the requirement for new members to commit to working towards joining the Euro.

Edited 32 minutes ago by badgerx16

[Weston Super Saint]

27 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

1) I am. However, we did have a ( non-binding ) referendum a couple of years later on amended terms of membership. ( Over 67% voted to stay ).

2) For the UK to rejoin, the EU would have to unanimously agree to forgo the requirement for new members to commit to working towards joining the Euro.

We could "work towards" it for the next century

[badgerx16]

8 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said:

We could "work towards" it for the next century

Correct. It took Bulgaria 22 years,  and 4 other countries that joined in 2004 have still to adopt the Euro, ( Czechia, Poland, Romania, and Hungary ). Also, Denmark has an opt-out after voters rejected the Maastricht Treaty in 1992.

Maybe I should have written "...the EU would technically have to.. ".

Edited just now by badgerx16