The Starmer Years - Can The New Broom Sweep Clean?

[Farmer Saint]

35 minutes ago, east-stand-nic said:

Blimey, were you really expecting anything from the forum punchbag? The bloke is a made up character I think. he never makes sensible replies to anyone or anything. he just tries to be funny, but fails at that also. As likely you know, this is the way of the left. I remember well when the Tories took over after Labour last time, that they blamed Labour for the financial mess the country was it. ALL lefties I knew were all over them for this. But it is OK now for them to use that excuse. The left are chronic hypocrites. They also never listen and as soon as you prove their limited knowledge wrong, they make jokes and berate as they have nothing to say. I have caught out so many on here doing the same thing, then they get nasty when you tie them up in knots. 

For the record, I hate them all and do not consider myself right or left. None of them give a flying fook about the masses. To believe they do is to be an idealistic teenager, which most lefties are. 

I've never seen you get close to even making a decent point, let alone tying anyone up in knots.

However, I'm not sure if you make up scenarios to prove your point though as was admitted to have happened above?

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[east-stand-nic]

22 minutes ago, tdmickey3 said:

No need to reply to you, you are making a complete fool of yourself, to save you more embarrassment I won’t add to it 

Test book left again. No reply. Cannot reply. More waffle. Utter brain-dead fool. 

[badgerx16]

2 hours ago, east-stand-nic said:

Test book left again. No reply. Cannot reply. More waffle. Utter brain-dead fool. 

Mirror, mirror.

[tdmickey3]

2 hours ago, east-stand-nic said:

Test book left again. No reply. Cannot reply. More waffle. Utter brain-dead fool. 

 Conspiracy theorist and deranged ladyboy waffles again

[Sir Ralph]

22 hours ago, tdmickey3 said:

No need to reply to you, you are making a complete fool of yourself, to save you more embarrassment I won’t add to it 

Yes buddy of course. Try in engage in adult talk and that’s what you’ve got. That’s it - no intelligent response just that.. First time I have ever engaged with chat on this forum and many have absolutely no idea about commercial reality. Yet they want a seat at the table of debate. 

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[Sir Ralph]

16 hours ago, Sir Ralph said:

Yes buddy of course. Try in engage in big boy talk and that’s want you’ve got. That’s it - no intelligent response just that. Embarrassing. Give a half decent response other wise the default is you are a 15 year old playing Fortnite in their boxers living with mummy 

 

19 hours ago, tdmickey3 said:

 Conspiracy theorist and deranged ladyboy waffles again

That’s more words than usual - did you download Chat GBT this time?

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[Sir Ralph]

22 hours ago, Farmer Saint said:

I've never seen you get close to even making a decent point, let alone tying anyone up in knots.

However, I'm not sure if you make up scenarios to prove your point though as was admitted to have happened above?

Sorry buddy - law and economic degree - you have no idea about the reality of economics. I’ve met people with amazing degrees from top unis but I’ve never employed them. I’ve noticed you call everyone else liars but apparently you are legitimate. 

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[Gloucester Saint]

15 minutes ago, Sir Ralph said:

Sorry buddy - law and economic degree - you have no idea about the reality of economics. I’ve met people with amazing degrees from top unis but I’ve never employed them. You’re a pretender with no idea about real modern day finance. I’ve noticed you call everyone else liars but apparently you are legitimate. From what you have said you wouldn’t be near any board that wants to be financially constructive 

I think he was aiming that at Nic…

[Sir Ralph]

42 minutes ago, Gloucester Saint said:

I think he was aiming that at Nic…

I know he was. But I’ve seen him say the same old rubbish to everyone. Why do you defend him so heavily? Please explain as most people can answer their own questions.

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[Gloucester Saint]

32 minutes ago, Sir Ralph said:

I know he was. But I’ve seen him say the same old rubbish to everyone. Why do you defend him so heavily? Please explain as most people can answer their own questions.

Wasn’t aware that I did tbh. Like most on here, @Farmer Saint included, I agree with some posts and not with others, but I try to rationalise why I do/don't. Sometimes people will agree with my response, sometimes they won’t. And sometimes I find I agree with people on football but less on non-football and vice versa.

First league win since February - enjoy it!

[whelk]

8 hours ago, east-stand-nic said:

Blimey, were you really expecting anything from the forum punchbag? The bloke is a made up character I think. he never makes sensible replies to anyone or anything. he just tries to be funny, but fails at that also. As likely you know, this is the way of the left. I remember well when the Tories took over after Labour last time, that they blamed Labour for the financial mess the country was it. ALL lefties I knew were all over them for this. But it is OK now for them to use that excuse. The left are chronic hypocrites. They also never listen and as soon as you prove their limited knowledge wrong, they make jokes and berate as they have nothing to say. I have caught out so many on here doing the same thing, then they get nasty when you tie them up in knots. 

For the record, I hate them all and do not consider myself right or left. None of them give a flying fook about the masses. To believe they do is to be an idealistic teenager, which most lefties are. 

You ok mate? Been skipping your medication perchance?

[whelk]

1 hour ago, Sir Ralph said:

Sorry buddy - law and economic degree - you have no idea about the reality of economics. I’ve met people with amazing degrees from top unis but I’ve never employed them. You’re a pretender with no idea about real modern day finance. I’ve noticed you call everyone else liars but apparently you are legitimate. From what you have said you wouldn’t be near any board that wants to be financially constructive 

Are you one of these cunts on Netflix documentaries “selling blah blah” where you come across as some shallow insecure fucker worried about how white your teeth are, on the misapprehension that you actually have any skills that people need?

[Farmer Saint]

2 hours ago, Sir Ralph said:

Sorry buddy - law and economic degree - you have no idea about the reality of economics. I’ve met people with amazing degrees from top unis but I’ve never employed them. You’re a pretender with no idea about real modern day finance. I’ve noticed you call everyone else liars but apparently you are legitimate. From what you have said you wouldn’t be near any board that wants to be financially constructive 

Sigh - I don't think this is going anywhere.

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[Sir Ralph]

14 hours ago, whelk said:

Are you one of these cunts on Netflix documentaries “selling blah blah” where you come across as some shallow insecure fucker worried about how white your teeth are, on the misapprehension that you actually have any skills that people need?

I have respect and it shows your character as a human being if you talk to people like that. I refuse to engage with people who talk like this. Whelk is a sad reflection of society.Be better. Goodbye. 

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[Sir Ralph]

1 hour ago, Farmer Saint said:

Sigh - I don't think this is going anywhere.

So it’s ok to call people a c bomb? I expect that’s ok during your “board meetings”? Direct question is it respectful to call people c bombs? 

 

1 hour ago, Farmer Saint said:

 

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[Farmer Saint]

10 minutes ago, Sir Ralph said:

So it’s ok to call people a c bomb? I expect that’s ok during your “board meetings”? Direct question is it respectful to call people c bombs? I will call you out on this. I agree we disagree but there are levels you don’t stoop to as a respectable person having a debate

 

 

Sorry, who did I call a "c bomb"?

The problem you have is you've come on here playing the big "I am", telling everyone they know nothing about economics, whilst also displaying a horrendous grasp of economics and tax law. You've also admitted to lying about the examples you're coming up with about people moving to Dubai (I'm still waiting on how they are saving tax when all their assets and businesses are in the UK, which was the reason you said they were moving).

Whelk has a very cultured way with words when he wants to. He is not stupid, and he is not a chav. However, he does not tolerate a fool. Unfortunately you have ventured into that territory.

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[Sir Ralph]

13 hours ago, Farmer Saint said:

Sorry, who did I call a "c bomb"?

The problem you have is you've come on here playing the big "I am", telling everyone they know nothing about economics, whilst also displaying a horrendous grasp of economics and tax law. You've also admitted to lying about the examples you're coming up with about people moving to Dubai (I'm still waiting on how they are saving tax when all their assets and businesses are in the UK, which was the reason you said they were moving).

Whelk has a very cultured way with words when he wants to. He is not stupid, and he is not a chav. However, he does not tolerate a fool. Unfortunately you have ventured into that territory.

Seriously I can’t explain future tax constraints again to you. You might say your online friend is a business or cultural expert. He isn’t. Neither are you. 
 

i won’t engage any more with people who think it’s acceptable to use that type of language.

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[Farmer Saint]

12 minutes ago, Sir Ralph said:

Seriously I can’t explain future tax constraints again to you. You might say your online friend is a business or cultural expert. He isn’t. Neither are you. 
 

i won’t engage any more with people who think it’s acceptable to use that type of language. Goodbye and good luck with bringing Woolworths back to life - with government subsidy I believe in you x

That's the third time you've changed your reply. Want to try again?

[Sir Ralph]

12 hours ago, Farmer Saint said:

That's the third time you've changed your reply. Want to try again?

Mate I’m on holiday which is what I’ve had the time to engage with you. Enjoy the rest of your “board advice” 

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[Farmer Saint]

Just now, Sir Ralph said:

Mate I’m on holiday which is what I’ve had the time to engage with you. Enjoy the rest of your “board advice” - I hope it goes well

How sad.

[Sir Ralph]

1 minute ago, Farmer Saint said:

How sad.

Up the saints x

[Gloucester Saint]

20 minutes ago, Sir Ralph said:

i won’t engage any more with people who think it’s acceptable to use that type of language. Goodbye and good luck with bringing Woolworths back to life - with government subsidy I believe in you x

How do you think Nissan at Sunderland, Honda at Swindon and Toyota in Derbyshire appeared as UK plants during the 1980s?

Hint - it was through considerable subsidy from the Thatcher government. Which was the right decision and thing to do btw.

SMEs win tens of millions in R&D grants to help prove concepts for new products and services to sell to market from Innovate UK. Sometimes partnering with universities and colleges, sometimes not.

And plenty of companies were happy to take subsidies to stay afloat during Covid and have a duty to repay the taxpayer during the rest of this decade for keeping the roof over their heads so they keep our roads and infrastructure running.

[Sir Ralph]

Just now, Gloucester Saint said:

How do you think Nissan at Sunderland, Honda at Swindon and Toyota in Derbyshire appeared as UK plants during the 1980s?

Hint - it was through considerable subsidy from the Thatcher government. Which was the right decision and thing to do btw.

SMEs win tens of millions in R&D grants to help prove concepts for new products and services to sell to market from Innovate UK. Sometimes partnering with universities and colleges, sometimes not.

And plenty of companies were happy to take subsidies to stay afloat during Covid and have a duty to repay the taxpayer during the rest of this decade for keeping the roof over their heads so they keep our roads and infrastructure running.

Up the saints x

[Farmer Saint]

3 minutes ago, Gloucester Saint said:

How do you think Nissan at Sunderland, Honda at Swindon and Toyota in Derbyshire appeared as UK plants during the 1980s?

Hint - it was through considerable subsidy from the Thatcher government. Which was the right decision and thing to do btw.

SMEs win tens of millions in R&D grants to help prove concepts for new products and services to sell to market from Innovate UK. Sometimes partnering with universities and colleges, sometimes not.

And plenty of companies were happy to take subsidies to stay afloat during Covid and have a duty to repay the taxpayer during the rest of this decade for keeping the roof over their heads so they keep our roads and infrastructure running.

I think if we ignore him he might just go away...I'm surprised he's still here in all honesty as he's thoroughly embarrassed himself.

If I were him I'd take the loss and go back to enjoying his "holiday".

[Sir Ralph]

7 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

I think if we ignore him he might just go away...I'm surprised he's still here in all honesty as he's thoroughly embarrassed himself.

If I were him I'd take the loss and go back to enjoying his "holiday".

Up the saints @Farmer Saint  @tdmickey3 @Gloucester Sainthave a great weekend. Life is diversity of opinion and ultimately it doesn’t matter too much. Enjoy the summer and hopefully Will Still does the business 

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[sadoldgit]

Sir Ralph = east-stand-nic

[Farmer Saint]

6 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

Sir Ralph = east-stand-nic

Yeah, the writing styles, poor spelling and grammar, inability to answer questions, crying after getting insulted and then throwing around insults. It all makes sense.

I also think both are joke characters - I don't think either can actually be serious.

[Sir Ralph]

25 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

Yeah, the writing styles, poor spelling and grammar, inability to answer questions, crying after getting insulted and then throwing around insults. It all makes sense.

I also think both are joke characters - I don't think either can actually be serious.

Up the Saints x

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[Sir Ralph]

34 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

Sir Ralph = east-stand-nic

Up the Saints x

[aintforever]

I’m trying to imagine how boring my holiday would have to be before I logged onto this fucking place to argue about tax with some football fans I’ve never met

[Gloucester Saint]

This is counter-productive, trying to appeal to Reform people. It’s not key workers, it’s actual asylum cases people want reduced in volume  https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c2en38jll94o

[rallyboy]

Arresting peaceful demonstrators is a horrendous look for any government.

And the Met as a brand has been fucked for decades.

But, but they're not elderly peace campaigners, they're all terrorist hate marchers....said no sane person ever.

[hypochondriac]

4 hours ago, rallyboy said:

Arresting peaceful demonstrators is a horrendous look for any government.

And the Met as a brand has been fucked for decades.

But, but they're not elderly peace campaigners, they're all terrorist hate marchers....said no sane person ever.

Do you support Palestine Action? 

[rallyboy]

6 hours ago, hypochondriac said:

Do you support Palestine Action? 

Nah. Why would I? Fuckwits on e-scooters and gap years, vandalising shit...

Do you support the government cracking down on peaceful protest?

Do you still believe that Israel is entitled to do whatever it takes in the name of self-defence, including murdering thousands of medical staff and 200 journalists, to facilitate and attempt to hide their ethnic-cleansing of Gaza? 

 

[whelk]

I must admit Jeremy Hunt came across very well here and refreshing him saying that he wants Kier Starmer to succeed. Very balanced and good insight, dare I say the acceptable face of the Tories

 

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https://open.spotify.com/episode/1YUAPkkQZZ4guTbARZ9Kr5?si=LP674wQPRPS1Di5vFMR1cw

 

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[hypochondriac]

1 hour ago, rallyboy said:

 

 

1 hour ago, rallyboy said:

Nah. Why would I? Fuckwits on e-scooters and gap years, vandalising shit...

Do you support the government cracking down on peaceful protest?

Do you still believe that Israel is entitled to do whatever it takes in the name of self-defence, including murdering thousands of medical staff and 200 journalists, to facilitate and attempt to hide their ethnic-cleansing of Gaza? 

 

Nah why would I? Murdering Jewish wankers genociding everyone for sport...

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[Farmer Saint]

5 hours ago, whelk said:

I must admit Jeremy Hunt came across very well here and refreshing him saying that he wants Kier Starmer to succeed. Very balanced and good insight, dare I say the acceptable face of the Tories

 

not accepting embedded Spotify link to the Leading podcast with Campbell and Stewart

https://open.spotify.com/episode/1YUAPkkQZZ4guTbARZ9Kr5?si=LP674wQPRPS1Di5vFMR1cw

 

Will listen to this later, but have met Jeremy quite a few times. 

I'm going to hate myself a little bit for this, but he is actually a very affable, generous and dare I say it, good person.

[badgerx16]

20 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

Will listen to this later, but have met Jeremy quite a few times. 

I'm going to hate myself a little bit for this, but he is actually a very affable, generous and dare I say it, good person.

Take them away from politics and most MPs are the same.

During one Labour conference in Blackpool, a schools concert orchestra our daughter played in was behind the scenes between sets, they played in the hall during breaks in the debates. Tony Blair and Gordon Brown joined them for a chat, Blair brought the biscuits and Brown poured the cups of tea.

[east-stand-nic]

On 10/08/2025 at 15:55, Farmer Saint said:

Yeah, the writing styles, poor spelling and grammar, inability to answer questions, crying after getting insulted and then throwing around insults. It all makes sense.

I also think both are joke characters - I don't think either can actually be serious.

Absolutely hilarious. Now I know you are a joke character as it is you and many others who refuse to debate and answer questions and instead just call names and abuse. 

Show me once ever when I have no answered a question. You can't. End of debate yet again.

Is there no one on this forum who can debate me?

[Sir Ralph]

12 minutes ago, east-stand-nic said:

Absolutely hilarious. Now I know you are a joke character as it is you and many others who refuse to debate and answer questions and instead just call names and abuse. 

Show me once ever when I have no answered a question. You can't. End of debate yet again.

Is there no one on this forum who can debate me?

Mate I found the same. It’s an echo chamber.  They get challenged too much and get aggressive and swear

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[badgerx16]

17 minutes ago, east-stand-nic said:

Is there no one on this forum who can debate me?

Maybe Sir Ralph could do so. Talking to yourself would at least give you one other forum member that agrees with you.

[Farmer Saint]

Question for both @Sir Ralph and @east-stand-nic, as Sir Ralph said he couldn't answer this the other day (even though they are his millionaire acquaintance's)

What would be the tax advantage for someone who's assets and businesses are UK based, to move to Dubai? On what taxes are they saving money?

I just want to see if either of you have an understanding of how it all works.

[Sir Ralph]

6 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

Maybe Sir Ralph could do so. Talking to yourself would at least give you one other forum member that agrees with you.

Nobody would bother to debate you lot. You’ve got an echo chamber so off course you think everyone would agree with you. It’s the basis of an echo chamber

[whelk]

16 minutes ago, Sir Ralph said:

Mate I found the same. It’s an echo chamber.  They get challenged too much and get aggressive and swear

Such snowflakes. TBF I don’t put you in the same camp at Nic, slightly more rational than that mad bastard

[whelk]

5 minutes ago, Sir Ralph said:

Nobody would bother to debate you lot. You’ve got an echo chamber so off course you think everyone would agree with you. It’s the basis of an echo chamber

Do ever read any posts? It is you who seems desperate to group everyone as a leftie. Anyone can see vast range of different views amongst us although pretty much united in agreeing Nic is an idiot. 

Must be much more fun for you talking with your greedy selfish sad tax exile wannabes bemoaning the left.

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[badgerx16]

22 minutes ago, Sir Ralph said:

Nobody would bother to debate you lot. You’ve got an echo chamber so off course you think everyone would agree with you. It’s the basis of an echo chamber

I have debated or even "held a frank exchange of views" with plenty on here, even Guided Missile on occasion. Go back and read the Brexit thread for one.

The only ones avoiding debate seem to be you and Nic, crying about an 'echo chamber' rather than attempting to engage when you know you have nothing to contribute.

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[Gloucester Saint]

1 hour ago, Farmer Saint said:

Will listen to this later, but have met Jeremy quite a few times. 

I'm going to hate myself a little bit for this, but he is actually a very affable, generous and dare I say it, good person.

Don’t, because my wife has met him through work and was very impressed with how he interacted with everyone and on health and social care seriously knows his stuff. 

Also, gets a big tick and pint of something strong in the real ale department from me for cleaning up the enormous economic projectile vomit by Liz Truss and the wretched Institute of Economic Affairs. 

[Gloucester Saint]

1 hour ago, badgerx16 said:

Take them away from politics and most MPs are the same.

During one Labour conference in Blackpool, a schools concert orchestra our daughter played in was behind the scenes between sets, they played in the hall during breaks in the debates. Tony Blair and Gordon Brown joined them for a chat, Blair brought the biscuits and Brown poured the cups of tea.

Mind you, surprised Brown didn’t pour the tea over Blair…

[Sir Ralph]

19 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

Question for both @Sir Ralph and @east-stand-nic, as Sir Ralph said he couldn't answer this the other day (even though they are his millionaire acquaintance's)

What would be the tax advantage for someone who's assets and businesses are UK based, to move to Dubai? On what taxes are they saving money?

I just want to see if either of you have an understanding of how it all works.

Firstly your question was whether I know people that had left. I explained the people that I did. You then asked why they did. I don’t know the ins and outs of their business and tax structuring details other than one key reason relates to future investments abroad and driven by Labour policy. Neither am I an accountant. It wasn’t the basis of the question originally. If it matters I’ll ask and let you know. 

you asked for details of people I know and I gave them. I didn’t know many, if any, that had left before. You’ll say it’s rubbish and I don’t know them and I’m making it up. Course you will so what’s the point cause my experience doesn’t fit your narrative 

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[Farmer Saint]

1 minute ago, Sir Ralph said:

Firstly your question was whether I know people that had left. I explained the people that I did. You then asked why they did. I don’t know the ins and outs of their business and tax structuring details other than one key reason relates to future investments abroad and driven by Labour policy. Neither am I an accountant. It wasn’t the basis of the question originally. If it matters I’ll ask and let you know. 

you asked for details of people I know and I gave them. I didn’t know many, if any, that had left before. You’ll say it’s rubbish and I don’t know them and I’m making it up. Course you will so what’s the point.

Please can you ask, as very interested.

When you say future investments and Labour policy, which Labour policies are pushing them abroad?