The Reform Thread

[Farmer Saint]

1 hour ago, Mixedkebab said:

Yes, they are humans, and most humans are cunty- you just don’t know any other cultures personally except your rural English cunty middle class pals.

Always trying to show off, but no-one cares what you say 😂

[Farmer Saint]

1 hour ago, Osvaldorama said:

So you’re racist? Nice 

 

 

How does that make me a racist - the English aren't a race, they're an ethnicity?

[Farmer Saint]

1 hour ago, Weston Super Saint said:

So any family that has roots in England for over 500 years, but that may have come from Norway or Germany, cannot possibly be "English" as they will not share the Anglo Saxon roots.

I would suggest you take a look at your own family tree as this may well preclude you.

That would be awful wouldn't it?

He's sounding very much like Hitler isn't he?

[badgerx16]

18 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

He's sounding very much like Hitler isn't he?

"If you were as blond as Hitler, as fit as Goering, as tall as Goebbels, as intelligent as Bormann, and with the eyesight of Himmler, you would be the perfect Aryan".

Edited 16 hours ago by badgerx16

[egg]

1 hour ago, Osvaldorama said:

On what planet am I losing this argument 😂

You guys have raised nothing except insults and pretending not to know what ‘English’ means

Well he asked you a question and replied with your usual leftist bollox.

That's not the sign of a bloke winning the argument. That's feet stamping. 

[badgerx16]

50 minutes ago, egg said:

Well he asked you a question and replied with your usual leftist bollox.

That's not the sign of a bloke winning the argument. That's feet stamping. 

I have actually asked 6 questions ;

At what point do immigrant families become entitled to claim "Englishness" ?

So what were they before 927AD ?

Where did all the non Anglo-Saxons go in that year ? 

As with my earlier post, were my wife's parents Scottish, Welsh, or English ? If they were Welsh and Scottish, what is my wife's ethnicity ?

So anybody descended from the Norman invaders isn't English ? 

Are Kernewek speakers not English ? 

 

And he accuses "leftists" of avoiding giving answers.

Edited 15 hours ago by badgerx16

[Osvaldorama]

2 hours ago, Farmer Saint said:

He's sounding very much like Hitler isn't he?

If ethnicity doesn’t exist, what was the Holocaust?

[Osvaldorama]

1 hour ago, badgerx16 said:

I have actually asked 6 questions ;

At what point do immigrant families become entitled to claim "Englishness" ?

So what were they before 927AD ?

Where did all the non Anglo-Saxons go in that year ? 

As with my earlier post, were my wife's parents Scottish, Welsh, or English ? If they were Welsh and Scottish, what is my wife's ethnicity ?

So anybody descended from the Norman invaders isn't English ? 

Are Kernewek speakers not English ? 

 

And he accuses "leftists" of avoiding giving answers.

Im not answering because your questions are fucking daft. 
 

You’re pretending not to know what an English person is, like a school child would do 

 

[badgerx16]

2 minutes ago, Osvaldorama said:

Im not answering because your questions are fucking daft. 
 

You’re pretending not to know what an English person is, like a school child would do 

 

You are not answering because the questions show up your hypocrisy and ignorance.

Edited 14 hours ago by badgerx16

[Farmer Saint]

18 minutes ago, Osvaldorama said:

If ethnicity doesn’t exist, what was the Holocaust?

Where did I say ethnicity doesn't exist?

[Farmer Saint]

28 minutes ago, Osvaldorama said:

Im not answering because your questions are fucking daft. 
 

You’re pretending not to know what an English person is, like a school child would do 

 

If they're so daft you should be able to smash them out the path.

My guess is a low IQ individual as yourself is just not a serious person, and so can't answer his "daft" questions.

Edited 13 hours ago by Farmer Saint

[Holmes_and_Watson]

6 hours ago, Osvaldorama said:

you’re doing it again 

 

 

Go and look in a dictionary. 
 

English and Ethnicity are very very clearly defined words. 

If someone were to say that they are English, I've not seen a post here that is saying that it doesn't exist. This seems to be something you're projecting.

There has been discussion on what "English" means to different people.

The definition you agree with is :-

"The English are an ethnic group and nation native to England, defined historically by a shared ancestry originating from Anglo-Saxon and Celtic roots, as well as a common language, culture, and history."

And this is why I asked. 

"The English are an ethnic group and nation native to England." - If native means place of birth, that's anyone born here.

"...defined historically by a shared ancestry originating from Anglo-Saxon and Celtic roots." - People born/ citizens of here can and do share in the history/ culture of the nation, adding to it as lots of people have done since it started being a nation.   

If, in your view, they are to be added together, then it really falls apart. The Celtic Britons included what would be Welsh and Cornish speakers for a start. So there goes the common language, and that shared ancestry goes across different countries. 

The Anglo-Saxons might have got a unified England going. There's a massive influx of cultures across the period from when the Angles and the Saxons arrived. But, to give you your definition, you are English if you can trace your line back to Alfred or even AEthelstan.

Except there were the successful invasions by the Danes and the Normans. Events that very much shaped England. But that's not included in your definition. So, anyone post-Norman conquest or possibly any number of Scandinavian raids and settlers don't count as English. 

There's not even a union flag to wave, under your definition, as that didn't make an appearance until the 17th century. Perhaps they can tie other people's comments about leftists to lamp posts instead.

[badgerx16]

7 hours ago, Holmes_and_Watson said:

If someone were to say that they are English, I've not seen a post here that is saying that it doesn't exist. This seems to be something you're projecting.

There has been discussion on what "English" means to different people.

The definition you agree with is :-

"The English are an ethnic group and nation native to England, defined historically by a shared ancestry originating from Anglo-Saxon and Celtic roots, as well as a common language, culture, and history."

And this is why I asked. 

"The English are an ethnic group and nation native to England." - If native means place of birth, that's anyone born here.

"...defined historically by a shared ancestry originating from Anglo-Saxon and Celtic roots." - People born/ citizens of here can and do share in the history/ culture of the nation, adding to it as lots of people have done since it started being a nation.   

If, in your view, they are to be added together, then it really falls apart. The Celtic Britons included what would be Welsh and Cornish speakers for a start. So there goes the common language, and that shared ancestry goes across different countries. 

The Anglo-Saxons might have got a unified England going. There's a massive influx of cultures across the period from when the Angles and the Saxons arrived. But, to give you your definition, you are English if you can trace your line back to Alfred or even AEthelstan.

Except there were the successful invasions by the Danes and the Normans. Events that very much shaped England. But that's not included in your definition. So, anyone post-Norman conquest or possibly any number of Scandinavian raids and settlers don't count as English. 

There's not even a union flag to wave, under your definition, as that didn't make an appearance until the 17th century. Perhaps they can tie other people's comments about leftists to lamp posts instead.

Childish, Marxist, nonsense.

[Weston Super Saint]

7 hours ago, Holmes_and_Watson said:

 

There's not even a union flag to wave, under your definition, as that didn't make an appearance until the 17th century. Perhaps they can tie other people's comments about leftists to lamp posts instead.

Presumably we'd all have to get behind the flag of Essex which is believed to be the oldest flag representing the Kingdom of Essex?

[Holmes_and_Watson]

26 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

Childish, Marxist, nonsense.

I refuse to accept any opinion that's not backed up with a meme. 🙂

Just now, Weston Super Saint said:

Presumably we'd all have to get behind the flag of Essex which is believed to be the oldest flag representing the Kingdom of Essex?

Will it look as good on a lamppost, to cry into and to be as shaggable?

[badgerx16]

14 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said:

Presumably we'd all have to get behind the flag of Essex which is believed to be the oldest flag representing the Kingdom of Essex?

The banner of Aethelstan, first King of England.....

The cross of St George didn't enter use until at least the 14th century.

[Sheaf Saint]

12 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

The banner of Aethelstan, first King of England.....

The cross of St George didn't enter use until at least the 14th century.

I wonder how Ossie and the rest of the flag-shaggers would react if a religious crusader from Cappadocia tried to enter Britain today? 🤔

[Osvaldorama]

11 hours ago, Farmer Saint said:

If they're so daft you should be able to smash them out the path.

My guess is a low IQ individual as yourself is just not a serious person, and so can't answer his "daft" questions.

So your high IQ argument is that ethnicity exists, to everyone except the English, because English people are cunts?

 

 

[Weston Super Saint]

33 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

The banner of Aethelstan, first King of England.....

The cross of St George didn't enter use until at least the 14th century.

To be fair that looks like it would go well with the perfect description of an "English" person who hails from Aberdare.

[Osvaldorama]

8 hours ago, Holmes_and_Watson said:

If someone were to say that they are English, I've not seen a post here that is saying that it doesn't exist. This seems to be something you're projecting.

There has been discussion on what "English" means to different people.

The definition you agree with is :-

"The English are an ethnic group and nation native to England, defined historically by a shared ancestry originating from Anglo-Saxon and Celtic roots, as well as a common language, culture, and history."

And this is why I asked. 

"The English are an ethnic group and nation native to England." - If native means place of birth, that's anyone born here.

"...defined historically by a shared ancestry originating from Anglo-Saxon and Celtic roots." - People born/ citizens of here can and do share in the history/ culture of the nation, adding to it as lots of people have done since it started being a nation.   

If, in your view, they are to be added together, then it really falls apart. The Celtic Britons included what would be Welsh and Cornish speakers for a start. So there goes the common language, and that shared ancestry goes across different countries. 

The Anglo-Saxons might have got a unified England going. There's a massive influx of cultures across the period from when the Angles and the Saxons arrived. But, to give you your definition, you are English if you can trace your line back to Alfred or even AEthelstan.

Except there were the successful invasions by the Danes and the Normans. Events that very much shaped England. But that's not included in your definition. So, anyone post-Norman conquest or possibly any number of Scandinavian raids and settlers don't count as English. 

There's not even a union flag to wave, under your definition, as that didn't make an appearance until the 17th century. Perhaps they can tie other people's comments about leftists to lamp posts instead.

So Erling Haaland is English and should have been made to play for England?

[badgerx16]

17 minutes ago, Osvaldorama said:

So your high IQ argument is that ethnicity exists, to everyone except the English, because English people are cunts?

 

 

Some of them.

Edited 2 hours ago by badgerx16

[Farmer Saint]

2 minutes ago, Osvaldorama said:

So your high IQ argument is that ethnicity exists, to everyone except the English, because English people are cunts?

 

 

Nope, I've never said it doesn't exist - you brought that up. Perhaps you can show me where I said that.

Edited 2 hours ago by Farmer Saint

[badgerx16]

1 minute ago, Osvaldorama said:

So Erling Haaland is English and should have been made to play for England?

Which brings us back to what makes a person "English" ?

1) They live in England and identify as English.

2) They were born in England and identify as English.

3) They were born of one English parent.

4) They were born of two English parents.

5) They can trace back an unbroken pure bred line of "English" ancestors to 927AD.

6) Some other definition.

 

But you will refuse to answer because either this is a childish question, or more likely, you are full of shit.

 

 

[Farmer Saint]

1 minute ago, badgerx16 said:

Which brings us back to what makes a person "English" ?

1) They live in England and identify as English.

2) They were born in England and identify as English.

3) They were born of one English parent.

4) They were born of two English parents.

5) They can trace back an unbroken pure bred line of "English" ancestors to 927AD.

6) Some other definition.

 

But you will refuse to answer because either this is a childish question, or more likely, you are full of shit.

 

 

The issue is he isn't a pure blood, he has dirty veins and as such should be deported. We don't need his like here.

[Weston Super Saint]

13 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

Which brings us back to what makes a person "English" ?

1) They live in England and identify as English.

2) They were born in England and identify as English.

3) They were born of one English parent.

4) They were born of two English parents.

5) They can trace back an unbroken pure bred line of "English" ancestors to 927AD.

6) Some other definition.

 

But you will refuse to answer because either this is a childish question, or more likely, you are full of shit.

 

 

Oswald certainly looks completely out of his depth on this one.

Maybe he should stick to memes and black shirts.

[Winnersaint]

29 minutes ago, Osvaldorama said:

So your high IQ argument is that ethnicity exists, to everyone except the English, because English people are cunts?

 

 

Clearly some of them maybe.

[egg]

34 minutes ago, Osvaldorama said:

So Erling Haaland is English and should have been made to play for England?

Any reason why couldn't have chosen to identify as English? 

[Holmes_and_Watson]

1 hour ago, Osvaldorama said:

So Erling Haaland is English and should have been made to play for England?

Haaland was indeed eligible to play for England, having been born there. He spent some of his early childhood in England too, I believe. 

The only person with a fixation in making people be a certain thing, even though you can't give a coherent definition, is yourself.

Haaland had the option of picking Norway based on the rest of his upbringing. It was your own definition that said the English are native to England. This example shows things are a bit more fluid in the real world.

Also by your definition, Haaland couldn't really be English unless he could trace family back to before the Norman conquest. No one is English, unless they can do that. You should be updating the FA on that.