January Transfer Window

[egg]

38 minutes ago, bugenhagen said:

I disagree. Manning and Wellington are poor, but let’s not make up excuses. Manning was no better or worse two seasons ago in a back four. If anything, limited fullbacks with poor positioning are less suited to play wingback.

It’s not like managers around the world are moving from a back four to a back five because they have poor fullbacks..,

I'm not sure about your last point. Whether to play a 4 or 5 is a tactical thing, but whatever system you play, the right players are needed. 

If Manning must play, he's far more suited to being in a 5. His strength (ha) is going forward, not defending. Where he's not helped is having a midfielder covering behind if he's caught up field, or the left CB coming across. 

On balance, I'd prefer us to play a 4, but I'm not convinced we have the LB to do it, or the right blend in midfield. 

Back to the point though - I'm glad Bree is coming back, and he'll improve us imo,particularly if we play a 4.

[Lord Duckhunter]

23 minutes ago, egg said:

On balance, I'd prefer us to play a 4, but I'm not convinced we have the LB to do it, or the right blend in midfield. 

That’s exactly how I feel about it. Do people think big Centre forwards are just going to challenge THB & Wood in the air & not pull onto Manning & Jelert as they hit diagonals. It’s not like KWP or Cedric where their positives outweigh that negative & it’s worth noting that even Lego played 3 centre halves in the play off final with Manning on the bench. Bree will defo help & Fellows is good enough defensively to offer some cover. But Leo isn’t a Stewart Armstrong or Frazier from 2 years ago, we need him going the other way, not doubling up on a winger who keeps skinning Manning or Wellington one on one.  

[Rebel]

Welington looks a lot better defensively than Manning so I think he would be OK in a flat back 4 with Scienza providing the attacking and width in front of him.

Its a bit ridiculous that we had 4 left backs on the books in the summer (no to mention Thierry Small and Jayden Meghoma as well not too long ago) and its still  a position we are worried about.

Saying that I would have sold Manning in the Summer and probably stuck with Welington and Taylor as the 2 left back options. 

I get the feeling Taylor wanted to leave so maybe we should have loaned him out and got Matt Targett in on loan - a left footed 6ft left back with a history of being one of the best in the championship in the that position.

I think they did the right thing in loaning out Larios with the intention of putting him in the shop window to sell  as he is just too small to play left back I think he is right footed anyway.  He's probably better suited to a wide midfield role in a less aggressive/physical league anyway.  When he did play he looked like he had good feet, positioning and passing but he just looked too small for the position in the EFl/Premier League. Unfortunately I think Jelert may be a in a similar situation.

We should sell Manning in the summer and maybe keep Welington and sign Targett on a free.  

[Turkish]

2 hours ago, Lighthouse said:

That's a story which screams 'going to Inter but agent after a few more quid' to me.

Top of Serie A Inter Milan or mid table championship Saints hmmm tough call

[Rebel]

2 hours ago, SWLondon Saint said:

Yes, but ironically Bree would also be one of the best candidates to play as one of a back 3 as most decent 3CB teams usually play with one player who can push up when in possession. Back 4 Vs 5 just depends whether you want to force your winger / wingback to defend more or attack more and all the evidence so far is they're happy to have one of the best attacking wide players in the league spending most of his time defending...

I think we should have kept Bree and played him as the RCB or RB instead of spending supposedly £6M on Roerslev and brining Jelert in on loan. But loaning Bree out for half a season made no sense we should either have kept him, sold him or at worst loaned him out for the whole season to get most of the fee we paid for him back.

Jelert looks like a great footballer but he looks a little small for the aggression and physicality of English football. Hopefully he will prove me wrong. 

We also could have played Ronnie Edwards at RB or RCB - as that was more or less the way he played at QPR - moving forwards in midfield with the ball - and to be honest at 5ft 11 he is probably too short to play centre back at the top level.

I am guessing Roerslev at 6ft was brought in to add some height at the back on the right. I hope he turns out to be good but we haven't seen that much of him yet.  He looked great at times but not so great at others when he played briefly.

I am guessing they decided Edwards wasn't good enough for either role - RCB or RB - or they needed to cut costs with Bree coming back. 

At least now we have cover at right back with Bree as both Jelert and Roerslev seem a bit injury prone.

 

[Turkish]

Ryan Frazer off down under then

[RedArmy]

9 minutes ago, Turkish said:

Ryan Frazer off down under then

Still makes me chuckle when I remember all the drips on here saying he was our best player at the start of the season. 
 

Yes, that’s why we were utterly shit 

[sadoldgit]

21 minutes ago, Rebel said:

I think we should have kept Bree and played him as the RCB or RB instead of spending supposedly £6M on Roerslev and brining Jelert in on loan. But loaning Bree out for half a season made no sense we should either have kept him, sold him or at worst loaned him out for the whole season to get most of the fee we paid for him back.

Jelert looks like a great footballer but he looks a little small for the aggression and physicality of English football. Hopefully he will prove me wrong. 

We also could have played Ronnie Edwards at RB or RCB - as that was more or less the way he played at QPR - moving forwards in midfield with the ball - and to be honest at 5ft 11 he is probably too short to play centre back at the top level.

I am guessing Roerslev at 6ft was brought in to add some height at the back on the right. I hope he turns out to be good but we haven't seen that much of him yet.  He looked great at times but not so great at others when he played briefly.

I am guessing they decided Edwards wasn't good enough for either role - RCB or RB - or they needed to cut costs with Bree coming back. 

At least now we have cover at right back with Bree as both Jelert and Roerslev seem a bit injury prone.

 

Interesting that there should be such a big difference between 5’11” and 6’ for the CH position. I’m just under 6’ and played at CH for a number of seasons. The players I marked were usually a bit taller than me but through positioning and timing I was rarely beaten in the air. If a park player can do it you would think that a professional defender could be coached to do it effectively. At least they should be coached to make it difficult for the other guy. We seem to give away a lot of free headers through poor marking. Is that because we mark zonally?

 

[VectisSaint]

27 minutes ago, Rebel said:

I think we should have kept Bree and played him as the RCB or RB instead of spending supposedly £6M on Roerslev and brining Jelert in on loan. But loaning Bree out for half a season made no sense we should either have kept him, sold him or at worst loaned him out for the whole season to get most of the fee we paid for him back.

Jelert looks like a great footballer but he looks a little small for the aggression and physicality of English football. Hopefully he will prove me wrong. 

We also could have played Ronnie Edwards at RB or RCB - as that was more or less the way he played at QPR - moving forwards in midfield with the ball - and to be honest at 5ft 11 he is probably too short to play centre back at the top level.

I am guessing Roerslev at 6ft was brought in to add some height at the back on the right. I hope he turns out to be good but we haven't seen that much of him yet.  He looked great at times but not so great at others when he played briefly.

I am guessing they decided Edwards wasn't good enough for either role - RCB or RB - or they needed to cut costs with Bree coming back. 

At least now we have cover at right back with Bree as both Jelert and Roerslev seem a bit injury prone.

 

Jelert 5'10", Bree 5'10". Don't understand why anyone wants Bree over Jelert.

[Verwood Saint]

I know who my money would be in a physical league like the Championship!