Legod Third Coming Posted 23 April, 2009 Share Posted 23 April, 2009 When I heard Rover were in financial trouble years ago I was sad that Britain was losing a car company of some long-standing and that thousands of people would lose their livelihoods. But it didn't make me buy a Rover. When I heard that Woolworths were in trouble, it didn't come as a surprise, still saddened me and I crossed the street to buy some pic-n-mix. But it didn't make me shift all my shopping there. When I heard MY CLUB was in trouble I wanted to do all I could. It made me want to go more often, to donate cash, to do something, anything. WHY OH WHY OH WHY... ...did someone at the start of this season not start PROPER dialogue with the fans about the perilous state of our finances and EMBRACE us as the people who always have been, always could be and always will be the heartbeat of the club. We were not customers to be left in the dark. All the efforts of the past few days is because people CARE. They cared as much in August. Shame on your Rupert Lowe and Michael Wilde and the remainder of the club and holding company's boards for your abject failure to engage with the people who now suffer at your total incompetence. Where was this season's fighting fund? Why buy Morgan Schneiderlin? Why take on players we could not afford? Why not give away the ones we could not pay? Why not offer reduced ticket prices for every game? But ABOVE ALL. Why did you not swallow your pitiful pride and talk to the people who made and make this club what it is. May you never sleep at night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corky morris Posted 23 April, 2009 Share Posted 23 April, 2009 Spot On LG3! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Bad Bob Posted 23 April, 2009 Share Posted 23 April, 2009 Maybe you should also ask why Barclays suddenly shifted their goalposts AFTER the 10 pts deduction deadline!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 23 April, 2009 Author Share Posted 23 April, 2009 Maybe you should also ask why Barclays suddenly shifted their goalposts AFTER the 10 pts deduction deadline!! We needn't have been on thin ice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eelpie Posted 23 April, 2009 Share Posted 23 April, 2009 Maybe you should also ask why Barclays suddenly shifted their goalposts AFTER the 10 pts deduction deadline!! Come now, they are only bankers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LestWeForget Posted 23 April, 2009 Share Posted 23 April, 2009 Maybe you should also ask why Barclays suddenly shifted their goalposts AFTER the 10 pts deduction deadline!! That's like asking why did the bank call in your overdraft before you reached the limit.... FFS use your grey matter.... Barclays don't take FL deadlines into consideration... they don't have to... they don't need to... they are a BANK.. and act to BANKING rules, not FA rules.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 23 April, 2009 Share Posted 23 April, 2009 I dispair as to why Lowe didn't do it just a few days before, 6 ****ing days earlier and we wouldn't have to right off a whole season. Stupid ****ing ****. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
once_bitterne Posted 23 April, 2009 Share Posted 23 April, 2009 It looks like Micheal Wilde still uses his log-on to view this forum. He last logged in last night at half 7! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 23 April, 2009 Share Posted 23 April, 2009 Maybe you should also ask why Barclays suddenly shifted their goalposts AFTER the 10 pts deduction deadline!! They did not. They set out their stall back in September and we simply failed to live within their parameters. As for the OP, spot on. Something I said on numerous occasions this season was the inability to engender a spirit of unity and togetherness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special K Posted 23 April, 2009 Share Posted 23 April, 2009 Good post L3C. All of the people involved with this football club over the last 6 years needs to hold their heads in shame. Yeah, that includes not just Lowe, Cowan & Wilde, but Crouch, McMenemy and all the numerous other boardroom ego's, flakes and protagonists who have all contributed to this moment. It is a sad, sad day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daren W Posted 23 April, 2009 Share Posted 23 April, 2009 Absolutely spot on Lg3c... It further cements what i've felt for years now, that this club just doesn't care and we're all viewed as walking cashpoints. For the club to truly move forward it needs to find its soul and try to reconnect with the fans and win back their trust as right now it's a ****ing joke that the whole of football is laughing at... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 23 April, 2009 Share Posted 23 April, 2009 When I heard Rover were in financial trouble years ago I was sad that Britain was losing a car company of some long-standing and that thousands of people would lose their livelihoods. But it didn't make me buy a Rover. When I heard that Woolworths were in trouble, it didn't come as a surprise, still saddened me and I crossed the street to buy some pic-n-mix. But it didn't make me shift all my shopping there. When I heard MY CLUB was in trouble I wanted to do all I could. It made me want to go more often, to donate cash, to do something, anything. WHY OH WHY OH WHY... ...did someone at the start of this season not start PROPER dialogue with the fans about the perilous state of our finances and EMBRACE us as the people who always have been, always could be and always will be the heartbeat of the club. We were not customers to be left in the dark. All the efforts of the past few days is because people CARE. They cared as much in August. Shame on your Rupert Lowe and Michael Wilde and the remainder of the club and holding company's boards for your abject failure to engage with the people who now suffer at your total incompetence. Where was this season's fighting fund? Why buy Morgan Schneiderlin? Why take on players we could not afford? Why not give away the ones we could not pay? Why not offer reduced ticket prices for every game? But ABOVE ALL. Why did you not swallow your pitiful pride and talk to the people who made and make this club what it is. May you never sleep at night. Mr Lowe will never talk to the fans.....But surely Mr ASkham should talk and give explaination as to why he and his fellow merry band allowed this to happen......Appears to me they just let Lowe and Wilde get on with it on a part time basis and therefore the Dutch crew under big Kim ran the show. Mr Askham OR EVEN MR RICHARDS WHO ONCE GAVE US A THOUSAND WORDS AS TO WHY RUPERT WAS KING......Maybe a few words as to what the hell has taken place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
up and away Posted 23 April, 2009 Share Posted 23 April, 2009 When I heard Rover were in financial trouble years ago I was sad that Britain was losing a car company of some long-standing and that thousands of people would lose their livelihoods. But it didn't make me buy a Rover. When I heard that Woolworths were in trouble, it didn't come as a surprise, still saddened me and I crossed the street to buy some pic-n-mix. But it didn't make me shift all my shopping there. When I heard MY CLUB was in trouble I wanted to do all I could. It made me want to go more often, to donate cash, to do something, anything. WHY OH WHY OH WHY... ...did someone at the start of this season not start PROPER dialogue with the fans about the perilous state of our finances and EMBRACE us as the people who always have been, always could be and always will be the heartbeat of the club. We were not customers to be left in the dark. All the efforts of the past few days is because people CARE. They cared as much in August. Shame on your Rupert Lowe and Michael Wilde and the remainder of the club and holding company's boards for your abject failure to engage with the people who now suffer at your total incompetence. Where was this season's fighting fund? Why buy Morgan Schneiderlin? Why take on players we could not afford? Why not give away the ones we could not pay? Why not offer reduced ticket prices for every game? But ABOVE ALL. Why did you not swallow your pitiful pride and talk to the people who made and make this club what it is. May you never sleep at night. Has someone removed every sense physically available to you? Given the economic climate and our failure to even get rid of enough high earners, we were doomed from the beginning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 23 April, 2009 Author Share Posted 23 April, 2009 Has someone removed every sense physically available to you? Given the economic climate and our failure to even get rid of enough high earners, we were doomed from the beginning. There is a fundamental difference between 'tough decisions' and coming out with the reality of the situation. Like you, I thought we would find it tough going, and then we brought in players for £1.2m from under the nose of Arsene Wenger so you think 'oh, so things are not that bad then'... I'm not fecking omniscient am I. And nor is anyone else. But it was too much to engage with 'fans', among whom there are ideas, cash, and ABOVE ALL a love for the club and desire to see it survive - yes, even above a hatred of the ruddy-faced clown. Oh, hang on, it was a business with customers... oops. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pilsburydoughboy Posted 23 April, 2009 Share Posted 23 April, 2009 May you never sleep at night...... I dont think either of those tossers have a bone of morality in them. I hate Rupert with a passion and i hope he has the mis fortune he deserves really soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70's Mike Posted 23 April, 2009 Share Posted 23 April, 2009 Maybe you should also ask why Barclays suddenly shifted their goalposts AFTER the 10 pts deduction deadline!! or the person who authorised payments knowing it took us over our overdraft linit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gingeletiss Posted 23 April, 2009 Share Posted 23 April, 2009 When I heard Rover were in financial trouble years ago I was sad that Britain was losing a car company of some long-standing and that thousands of people would lose their livelihoods. But it didn't make me buy a Rover. When I heard that Woolworths were in trouble, it didn't come as a surprise, still saddened me and I crossed the street to buy some pic-n-mix. But it didn't make me shift all my shopping there. When I heard MY CLUB was in trouble I wanted to do all I could. It made me want to go more often, to donate cash, to do something, anything. WHY OH WHY OH WHY... ...did someone at the start of this season not start PROPER dialogue with the fans about the perilous state of our finances and EMBRACE us as the people who always have been, always could be and always will be the heartbeat of the club. We were not customers to be left in the dark. All the efforts of the past few days is because people CARE. They cared as much in August. Shame on your Rupert Lowe and Michael Wilde and the remainder of the club and holding company's boards for your abject failure to engage with the people who now suffer at your total incompetence. Where was this season's fighting fund? Why buy Morgan Schneiderlin? Why take on players we could not afford? Why not give away the ones we could not pay? Why not offer reduced ticket prices for every game? But ABOVE ALL. Why did you not swallow your pitiful pride and talk to the people who made and make this club what it is. May you never sleep at night. Post of the season....IMHOof course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 23 April, 2009 Share Posted 23 April, 2009 Has someone removed every sense physically available to you? Given the economic climate and our failure to even get rid of enough high earners, we were doomed from the beginning. Bringing in Wotton, Perry, Cork, Holmes, Pearce, Gasmi, Forecast, Pulis, Peckhart, Robertson, Smith, Scheiderlin, Molyneaux, Saeijs and Liptack would suggest otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stthrobber Posted 23 April, 2009 Share Posted 23 April, 2009 When I heard MY CLUB was in trouble I wanted to do all I could. It made me want to go more often, to donate cash, to do something, anything. WHY OH WHY OH WHY... ...did someone at the start of this season not start PROPER dialogue with the fans about the perilous state of our finances and EMBRACE us as the people who always have been, always could be and always will be the heartbeat of the club. We were not customers to be left in the dark. All the efforts of the past few days is because people CARE. They cared as much in August. Shame on your Rupert Lowe and Michael Wilde and the remainder of the club and holding company's boards for your abject failure to engage with the people who now suffer at your total incompetence. Where was this season's fighting fund? Why buy Morgan Schneiderlin? Why take on players we could not afford? Why not give away the ones we could not pay? Why not offer reduced ticket prices for every game? But ABOVE ALL. Why did you not swallow your pitiful pride and talk to the people who made and make this club what it is. May you never sleep at night. You have to bear in mind that Lowe did try to tell us how bad the situation was at the start of the season, he said it would be a long hard struggle but success could be achieved again if everyone pulled together (or words to that effect). The simple fact is that in many fans' eyes he had already burned his bridges and they weren't listening. Lowe was mightily criticised during his previous tenure for being too public. When he got together with Wilde many fans just dismissed anything they said as bullsh!t I might also add, that if you think Lowe and Wilde treated the fans as customers, then that particular trait was also employed by Hone and his cronies. Clubs have been over charging fans for years, particularly with respect to merchandise and in our case, match ticket prices. The club and bank did speak before the start of the season. The overdraft limit was £5 million, and the club had exceeded that by well over a million, and this was before the return of Lowe and Wilde. The bank was happy to throw money at the club before the credit crunch hit. When it hit, Lowe was advised to get that £6million plus back to under £4 million and had got within touching distance when Barclays pulled the rug from under the club. I was told that the decision to buy Schneiderlin was made because he was considered a top prospect and could be sold at a handsome profit. It seemed ludicrous to me to spend over a million on a kid when we needed experience not more youth. Lowe certainly made mistakes on his return, but I do think he was trying to do his best to turn the club around financially, but I do think that having succeeded in overtaking Branfoot as the club's major hate figure, he would have done better to leave well alone, but then again, that's easy for me to say, I only lost a couple of hundred quid on my shares Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 23 April, 2009 Share Posted 23 April, 2009 Bringing in Wotton, Perry, Cork, Holmes, Pearce, Gasmi, Forecast, Pulis, Peckhart, Robertson, Smith, Scheiderlin, Molyneaux, Saeijs and Liptack would suggest otherwise. Plus paying for Poortvliet to come and go needs to go in there The idea that we were already consigned to administration (and relegation) is fanciful. Lowe and Wilde didn't come back to preside over a funeral and to be the ones left at the helm when it all went tts up. They believed there was a chance we could turn this around, and as tough as it was going to be, we did have a chnace to do just that. Problem was Lowe and co blew it with some disastrous decisions right from the off. A successful manager and some good results might have put 4,000 on the gate (an average of 20,000 isn't asking for too much) and circa £2,000,000 in the bank which would may well have kept the Club ticking over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 23 April, 2009 Share Posted 23 April, 2009 Any notion that Lowe gave a stuff about genuinely wishing to atone for past errors and engender some unity went straight out of the window the day Pearson was sacked.... (which in Lowe's mind was probably the day he was appointed). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stthrobber Posted 23 April, 2009 Share Posted 23 April, 2009 Problem was Lowe and co blew it with some disastrous decisions right from the off. A successful manager and some good results might have put 4,000 on the gate (an average of 20,000 isn't asking for too much) and circa £2,000,000 in the bank which would may well have kept the Club ticking over. Bingo! Hindsight is wonderful, but Rupert is the only one that needs it. We could all see it was a huge risk to appoint JP/MW. The 500k that Swansea offered for Dyer might have helped too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 23 April, 2009 Share Posted 23 April, 2009 Any notion that Lowe gave a stuff about genuinely wishing to atone for past errors and engender some unity went straight out of the window the day Pearson was sacked.... (which in Lowe's mind was probably the day he was appointed). 10000% spot on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Karloff Posted 23 April, 2009 Share Posted 23 April, 2009 Bingo! Hindsight is wonderful, but Rupert is the only one that needs it. We could all see it was a huge risk to appoint JP/MW. The 500k that Swansea offered for Dyer might have helped too. Risk/gamble. The problem was that Lowe's arrogance meant that not only did he bring in a manager unproven in this country, it also meant that Lowe dictated the transfer policy. If he'd stuck with Pearson and said to him that he had to make savage cuts to save money, but he would have control over those cuts, it might well have worked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70's Mike Posted 24 April, 2009 Share Posted 24 April, 2009 Bingo! Hindsight is wonderful, but Rupert is the only one that needs it. We could all see it was a huge risk to appoint JP/MW. The 500k that Swansea offered for Dyer might have helped too. another point is that they must have known how bad the finances were in January, i cannot believe they got that much worst from Jan TO now, why did we not off load Surman or Lallana or anyone else , even at a cut price Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rallyboy Posted 24 April, 2009 Share Posted 24 April, 2009 can we assume that Rupert treated the bank with the same disdain that he treated the fans? His last scrap of credibility was finally buried yesterday and as soon as there is an available slot I shall be dancing on the grave. On a side issue, I would like it if our administrator sounded a little less like a second hand car dealer and more like a financial whizz kid..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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