Fabrice29

Yes that horrible idea of trying to play good football. Anyway, you’re right, it totally depends on results which is why I find tactical talk on here quite amusing because when we aren’t getting results all season there’s always an incredibly simple solution that’s obvious to anyone but the manager. But yes, a positive change/performance yesterday and more talk of ‘why didn’t we do that all season’ as we pick up another defeat which bizarrely we have done all season.

Well it doesn't really matter but "my boys reign of terror" got a 3-2 against Liverpool rather than 3-1 but anyway the point I'm making is dropping off "lesser teams" at home, like for example next week will not be popular.

Looking forward to us dropping a performance that has us facing 28 shots vs our 6 and only 28% possession next week against a lesser team and you giving it a thumbs up.

Absolutely agree.

That smile is going to hit different when he goes to somewhere in Germany in the summer.

I think you’re mistaking fitness with physical capabilities personally but maybe your eyes can decipher the finer fitness details of individuals unlike mine.

Which is another vague statement without actually any evidence for it other than bad performances this season but yeah different opinions and all that. Oh and once again, not just vague statements based on little but no actual reasoning to suggest that we’ve improved by stopping the year long stag party and how good it is now they’ve all been shaken up.

I'm not willing to jump on a vague "fitness" bandwagon with no real evidence for it, correct. Especially not to back up other vague claims.

"easy street", "undisciplined", "ill managed" "need shaking up" - presumably because of a day off at Xmas and some bad performances but yeah I'm glad neither you or I are jumping to conclusions.

Are we really at the stage where we are concluding players who played well last year and now don't get in the team for whatever reason ill managed, undisciplined and needed shaking up?

We’ve not replaced Ings in terms of quality with hindsight but pretty sure Ralph signed Armstrong didn’t he? It’s not that the support hasn’t been given, it’s just been misplaced.

I have no issues with what has happened with Charles. I was merely pointing out you were annoyed at Downes wanting to play for his mate which is a just a theory and then I was being silly pointing out Charles might want to play for his mate and just wondering if you would remain consistent. As for Ralph, I think I was probably up for him leaving by the end. I’m not a big fan of the style of football that he and Rohl advocate but that’s subjective and I can see the plusses and very happy to get behind it, for reasons I’ve explained in the Juric thread.

Yeah I was being silly because of the the same poster previously getting upset over Downes/Martin and Charles making clear he preferred to be at Wednesday in January.

Hope not. Last thing we need is a manager with his favourites. Right? Charles didn’t want to play for us in January so if he only wants to play for Rohl because he’s ‘giving him a foot massage and whispering sweet nothings in his ear to feel like playing. If he can't sort this attitude out then we need to get rid ASAP this summer’

Except for the time they all challenged for promotion and finished in the top 6 last year of course.

I know this place is weirdly obsessed with our manager not being friends with the players and not giving days off but the thing we will have to do is galvanise a beaten up squad again and get them fully invested and alongside the manager. Rohl has proven experience of doing that so it’s a good move for me.

They should just change team names to managers names then. The league table would be much more reflective of your reality.

As pointed out above Poch, Koeman and Ralph joined us in PL. What proven success did Poch have out of interest and why do you rate "a European league" ahead of The Championship? Did Jurics success in a European league satisfy you? Secondly, why do you believe Rohls results at Sheffield Wednesday are his limit and the only thing you can judge him on? Do you believe results are the only barometer of whether a manager is good or not? Is there no room for context like expectation etc or are you really saying the only way to judge a manager is "where are they in a league now? 13th, not good enough". In which case, I go back to the proven success Poch had that satisfied you so much.

Rohl a good appointment from a man management point of view if all vibes are that’s he’s good with his players are true. Not convinced his style of football is successful in the championship tbh but probably suits the PL better so I’d be quite happy to see us go that route. Will really need a physical goal scorer to get us out of the Championship though.

Sorry but I’m led to believe tactical changes and players not being friendly with you are good things actually.

Danny Rohl has experience of being part of a management team that has kept Southampton up in the PL, which is exactly the experience you want.

Rohl has shown himself to be part of at least two managerial teams that have galvanised a low in confidence squad both here with Ralph and at Sheffield Wednesday himself. That's a pretty good starting basis for our next managerial appointment for me. It's exactly what we got right last year appointing Martin and we will need to do again next season. No issues with his record at Sheffield Wednesday. The idea that your qualities as a manager are judged ONLY on how your team is performing in a league is strange and doesn't cater for any context. I'm not convinced his football style is particularly great though but that's subjective and it appears to fit with our new technical director so makes sense on that level. It's interesting you phrase this comment above negatively though, RM got us promoted, so yeah I'm advocating we get someone in who will produce that again.

It's a perfectly reasonable post tbh. The desire from some to get rid of owners who seem intent on investing and have shown themselves to listen to fans with at least two managerial sackings now has always baffled me a bit. Obviously they have to make some serious improvements in regards to recruitment and who they put in charge of that though.

Sat here looking at Plymouths position in the Championship and thinking we probably do have a similar shape, tactic and basic desire by the looks of it.

I think the post I quoted in the previous page sums up nicely the point I was making.