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Aguero and Hazard for best, boringly. McNair was dismal enough to get subbed after about 20 minutes for Man U at St Mary's, so him for worst other than Villa and Sunderland players.

He might take a while to revert from how Newcastle have been using him and go back to being more defensive.

I thought Hutton was by far Villa's worst defender on the weekend, he lost a shoulder to shoulder with a bloke half his size for Mane's first goal and never once looked like he knew what he was meant to be doing at left back. Vlaar made one bad backpass and got screwed over by a high line they should never have been playing. How does Sherwood even look at our endless string of failures to break down a parked back nine and think trying to squeeze play is going to work? Even if they'd been closing down our midfield quickly (which they weren't) there was still half a pitch to hoof a killer throughball into.

Hopefully it starts with images of Aguero pulling a hamstring in training.

Interesting - training kit or just Barry Gale fancy dress costume?

Which could lead to the eventual collapse of FIFA. That is something I may have mentioned could be Platini's goal in the longer term, that way he doesn't have to oust Blatter, just have UEFA undermine them by removing their affiliation and running everything in Europe themselves. The power of the UEFA clubs shouldn't be underestimated in this.

If we sign Alderweireld you're going to be in for a hasty digestion and rebuild anyway.

I'd have preferred a black/red/white collar with some of the mesh we'll see on the away kit if they were genuinely interested in some actual "design", but I'm not particularly bothered about the (cough) halo being plain white and indeed that is marketing horsepoop of the highest order. Of note, my suggested design change would have made the shirt look more like this season's shirt as well. Which means there are clearly things that don't look like this season's.

I am confused as to how anyone could have any kind of negative opinion of possibly the blandest branded kit the club has ever had. It's stripes, it's made by adidas, Saints badge on it, that's about it really.

Or Barry Gale.

There's a whole page of pics of training wear on the Pointless Kit Thread. This is about the home shirt being released.

Not really, there's more white around the neck area for a start. Anyway, I like the current kit (crappy materials aside), and we have a deal with adidas, so that's not even a problem.

Needs more retardance.

Probably should have thought of it 20 years ago. Plus kit design's not what it was, corporate template machines, no room for flair or actual design. Also I am chronically underqualified to the point of not even knowing which qualifications would be needed.

Ridiculous. For a start the current shirt has a load of red stripes within the red stripes, and a red v-neck collar. And no branding.

It's a really good design, the shoulders look like that on all of Umbro's shirts from that season, clearly in our case it was to prevent multidirectional stripe clash, which would have looked much worse. It was an excellent fit too, and high quality material that stretched but wasn't tight and nice detailing and bespoke details like the triangular element at the bottom of the sides of the shirt. Agreed that the sponsor was bolted on afterwards, but that was because it wasn't designed with flybe in mind and they extended their deal quite late in the year. That particular shirt above is a nice design, but the execution of it was awful - it was called the "nosebreaker" for a reason - no elasticated material in the collar - plus the cut of the sleeves was too short and they hung awkwardly off the shoulder piping. And the white ad panel/broken stripe was superfluous, the Friends Provident lettering had sat across stripes comfortably for four years before that without being difficult to see. There's more to good design than just how the thing looks.

Irrelevant now, the Arse equalised, so they'd need to fail to beat Sunderland to not have a chance of catching City.

Surely you can't blame the ref for the number of caps he's got?

The whole point being that had United beaten Arsenal they'd be 6 points behind City and goal difference would be unlikely to be a factor. Now they could be within 2 points of City when we play them - although the GD point still stands, because City would only need a draw. Of course that draw would mean we couldn't catch Liverpool, and would need Spurs to lose to come 6th.

I did hear a rather amusing rumour yesterday that the media group Saints outsourced to do the supporting media pictures for the launch took precisely ONE pic of the shirt, which is why JWP is the only photo of a player in the shirt we've seen other than the video reveal with Fonte. That and "they've only got the one shirt", which seems to be supported by the team not wearing it yesterday, the shirt in the video reveal not having sizes printed on it, and the shirt in the Snapchat (and possibly Periscope) video having its own box.

The "two kits sewn together" one is one of the best shirts we've had in the past 30 years. Except the crappy sponsor panel.

Already did that one. And Granada.

I'd rather see us in navy home shorts than hoops. I don't mind a sash, quarters, halves, candy stripes, reverse Ajax, regular Ajax, halved Denmark, or even Pony tick monstrosity, but not hoops, pinstripes or plain.

Weird and undoubtedly a really bad idea from a health and safety perspective, may as well wear a cotton t-shirt soaked in petrol.

Only to people who didn't appreciate his pace and movement, and think that scoring goals from crosses when you can't see the ball is easy. He wasn't great out wide, and improved massively when moved inside, but he was never terrible, just people overreacting to him falling over and getting the ball stuck under his feet a lot. It was obvious what he could offer.