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Leeds fans would laugh at someone like you. They turn up in league 1 in their thousands and they have Mr Chelseascum as their chairman. You're just another `Come to see United you only come to see United' saints `fan'.

I've called myself a mug fan on here a number of times, but I don't expect another `Saints supporter' to come on here and call me a mug just because I prefer to get a £15 ticket for every game. `Best fans in the world', laughable when you have people like you criticisng others for actually going to games.

OS says "unable to guarentee him a first team place and the WAGES THAT GO WITH IT." A carefull worded release that tells you his contract includes a huge appearance fee. From that I would conclude that Skacel is almost certainly on the same sort deal (as rumoured on here) and the reason why both have not been played unless absolutely neccesary. To be honest I am surprised someone did not take him in the summer. My guess is that Bristol City are not paying all his wages during this loan period (we pay a percentage) or if we are lucky a deal has been struck whereby Bristol are paying a flat rate slightly higher than he got here with no appearance fee. I know he scored goals last season and thats what he does but I wish we had never signed him. Apart from the fact I hate lazy bastard players like him, at the time we had countless other strikers and hsi wages are part of the reason we are in this mess. Having Rasiak AND John was stupid. Rediculous even.

I'd suggest 15k a week, easy, maybe more seeing as our wage bill expanded by 33% when he, Thomas, Euell etc replaced Baird, KJ, Bale, Pele etc, unless of course Bristol City are only paying a percentage of that, which is certainly possibly.

Wotton? Ali Dia has more ability on the ball. If he is toplay it should be as a CB not CM. Oh Stern John has left by the way. Davies Cork Perry Wotton Mills Surman Gillett Schneiderlin Skacel BWP Robertson Christ I feel for Jan. Not only do we have a massive lack of quality throughout the squad, but we also have a massive lack of players to pick from. Why sign Pekhart and then Robertson when we had BWP, John and McGoldrick here already? What we needed was a RM and RB, maybe a CB as well.

he will probably sign for them permently on Jan 1st or if not that loan period ends on that date to ensure we can sell him to someone else as soon as the window opens. Either way he is gone from the managers plans. I have to say the way we have handled Thomas, Skacel and John has been appauling. I see no reason whatsoever why they could not have been integrated into a young total football side. Instead we have spent hundreds of thousands of pounds on wages and got nothing in return.

I have argued on here for seasons now that he is decent at this level and has played well. Far too many just pointed to the errors early doors adn weren't able to judge on each individual game rather than their preconceived opinion of him. He has been decent (and improving every year) pretty much since that **** up against QPR by the way. His distribution and shot stopping is first class. He commands his area much better now and his decisions when to come and sweep and when not are top draw. He still doesn't come for many crosses and he lacks a bit of height, but this is the ccc so what do people expect?

bit before my time when first used (1970ish), but a few of the old guys sat in front of me at SMS used to sing: We've got Tommy Tommy Tommy Tommy Jenkins on the wing, on the wing. We've got Tommy Tommy Tommy Tommy Jenkins on the wing, on the wing. Tommy, Tommy Jenkins, Tommy Jenkins on the wing. Tommy, Tommy Jenkins, Tommy Jenkins on the wing. I've moved seats so don't hear that any more. Pretty much since terraces closed that has seen the end of most original songs from Saints fans. Only Marian me lord, nnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn na Gregor Rasiak, do do do jonny viafara coem to mind as ditty's we have out together. Christ it just shows how bad things have got that there isn't a single song for any of our players now.

very good post, Best supporters in the world, meh. We're even getting `fans' on here laughing at and criticising supporters for buying season tickets and going to games.

Skacel? Maybe we could go 4-4-2, which IMO is essential away from home.

when we didn't change the manager (Wigley) quickly enough we went down!

Paul Smith, Burberry, Ted Baker, Ralf Lauren, what more could she want?

Absolutely. Mills has done pretty well IMO and will only imrpove with games. he lacks a little place and height but he gets stuck in and I haven't noticed him being murdered by wingers. The only time he looks exposed is he faces 2 on 1. Skacel thrived in a forward role at Hearts and with Holmes out I'd of thought he would have walked straight into that position. At left wing he wouldn't need to chase back all day as well so his suspect fitness would not be exposed. JP is worse than Burley at playing people out of position. James at right back, Surman at left back, McGoldrick at right wing and CM, BWP at right or left wing, Dyer at left wing, Mills at left wing he even had Thomson at right back on Saturday. You can add Wotton to that list as his position should clearly be somewhere in league 1.

the trouble is Euell, Killer and Thomas are not available to Jan so its hard to judge. Certainly a squad with those three and Skacel/John will offer more resistance than one without. The likes of Wotton, Ryan Smith, Jake Thompson, Llyod James, Thomas Pakhart and David McGoldrick have shown that they are all short of the required quality needed. Others like Mills, Lancashire, Gillett, Schneiderlin and Lallana can quite clearly cut it. I'd of thought that was enough youth in the side to keep everyone happy and perhaps win a few games!

when you say `towards the end' don't you really mean he looked tired after about 60 minutes? I don't understand why Mills played inthe winger role ahead of Skacel. Very strange decision. Despite my lack of love for Skacel I was glad to see him back in the side. No one is going to tell me that Ryan Smith deserves to play ahead of him.

I agree the "I've a contract, I can't be arsed anymore" is a load of ********, but I disagree that he worked harder than anyone. He worked harder than Stern John, but that's about it. Popular misconception that he was a grafter IMO.

I'm more of the opinion that he got lucky in his first season than he was particulary bad in the second. IMO his all round play is very average indeed. He offers himself well, but when he gets the ball he loses it. I've never seen so many crap flicks, misplaced passes and weak hold up play in my life. This happened constantly, but because he scored goals every week you tended to forgive him very quickly indeed, however last season he scored **** all so all you got to see was him giving the ball away cheaply and then blazing over the bar. What makes me laugh is when people describe him as pacey, hardworking, or good at holding the ball up. He offers none of those things, all he has ever offered is goals and they dried up as his confidence dissappeared. Yes he was messed about by Burley, but he was injured for a long spell and when he returned he was crap. He obviously needed a long run in the side to find his feet, but we didn't have the time and every chance he got he failed to take it. Burley just didn't ever want to give him 4 or 5 games on the trot and Pearson wasn't overly impressed either. I appreciate the other strikers we have are not world beaters, but I suspect Saga is on a hefty wage so that's why he is out the door for now. IMO we shoud never have signed him. We had too many strikers last season and we wasted hundreds of thousands paying them all to warm the bench.

if you park in town you then have to walk past the away end to get to the ticket office so if you hang about outside there is bound to be a ticketless Saints asking the stewards where the ticket office is and you can sell to them.

On that theme of the best 11 disregarding injuries and financial payments then my side would be: Davis Thomas Killer Lancashire Mills Euell Schneiderlin Gillett Surman Lallana John Bart Perry Cork Skacel BWP Far from convinced by Lancashire, but with Killer needs some pace next to him and Perry/Thomas don't offer that. Mills looks decent to me btu his lack of height must be compensated for by Thomas at right back who did a solid job there. Gillett was playing well befire his injury and IMO offers a lot to the side in terms of hussling the opposition. Schneiderlin has also looked good for me and I don't know why he is always subbed. Bit harsh on Cork who has played well but he can come in if either CM don't work out. Euell goes straight in but not in a central role. When NP moved him out wide he wa excellent. I go for Surman ahead of Rudi but only just. Rudi could also replace Lallana in the second striker role. No idea why John does not start. Pekhart, McGoldrick or Robertson have offered little todate.

so are you suggesting supporters do not take the club up on its eary bird offers to teach them a lesson? If you do you end up forking out hundreds more to see the same 23 games...

sorry but with huge debts run up over the previous 12 months every Saints fan should have known this summer that the side would be stripped of every valuable player and replaced with low wages, low quality and youth team players. If you bought a ST thinking it would be anything but that scenario then you were just stupid.

surely no one with half a brain swallowed the bull**** on the OS this summer? The term `revolutionary coaching system' became a running joke on here after about two news items (and the OS continued to use it all summer).

Jackson's Farm would have to be sold off to pay debtors. I can't imagine debtors would allow it to be retained by any incoming buyer.

the question is, what steps were taken to turn an 18th place side into one that got promoted?

we need some `units' like Wayne Brown (available on loan from Hull), some defenders with bite like Chris Biard, some height at fullback like Djimi Traore (kicking his heals down the road) and maybe some talent in Quedrue (Brum) or Ryan Taylor. None of these are financially viable though. But maybe if Skacel and Stern went out on loan...