CB Fry

The plan they have deployed on promotion seems 100% spend as little as possible, probably get relegated then be the richest club in the Championship. And go back up. It's a shit plan because even if it works the team that "goes back up" is no further along than this team. So we'd be favourites to go down again and the same happy clappers as now will give it the "what do you expect be realistic" routine. Brilliant.

Any 3 year 5 year or 10 year plans are rolling anyway. It's not some static thing. I've never been in a business that doesn't revisit those sorts of plans every year (10 year one maybe every couple of years but that's generally the stuff you want to pretend you want to do but hope the next guy does it not you).

Ariana Grande is a huge international pop star in her own right and one of the reasons she was cast is because she is box office and will generate "free" publicity like bring on the front page of the newspapers. The studio might frig it so they can both be nominated for an Oscar but her role is a lead role not a supporting one. Films can have more than one lead.

All joking aside, the idea that we could have missed out on signing Nathan Wood really doesn't bear thinking about.

But we're staying down for two entire seasons this time right? I've been led to believe that is, in fact, the masterplan? No surprise those players snapped our hands off for that irresistible offer of 92 guaranteed Championship games to have the chance to be selected for.

Someone's been on the Scrumpy.

Leicester have appointed three managers in the time we've had Martin and all three are better than he is.

People can talk about how wonderfully successful he'll be "in the right circumstances" while failing to admit that, for Russell Martin this is it. This is his favourable circumstances. He lucked out with a promotion ready squad and parachute resources last year and now he's getting found out. His next job will be back to the middle of the Championship where he will duly concede 60 goals yet again.

All this would be fine if Russell Martin wasn't fucking shit at Swansea as well.

But a straw poll of one club to prove your point is Ok but me using exactly the same club to make a different point isn't? Why is my "scenario" weird but your scenario is completely fine? Sheaf's point is 100% supported by the Luton example, but you don't like that so are ignoring it and going with the Sheffield United example because something something reasons definitely not weird but it suits your point. The fact is: If it is not relevent to the following season then we can sack Martin now with zero fear. It's not relevant for next season, it's fine. Agree, or no?

They're a good example of the benefits of sacking a failing Premier League manager in December, aren't they? Luton are a good example of going down and expecting the same manager to deliver the same magic the following season. Good example of that not being true as well? We are talking about just two clubs, so my analysis is as valid as what you have cherry picked, correct?

But you have already said that the period before Wilder is "irrelevant" when they replaced their manager in December '23. So if we replace our manager in Dec '24 then that "before" period for us becomes equally "irrelevant", right? We heal, we move on, we go forward. Why can't you let this manager go?

Making out you predicted a load of stuff 18 months ago and now have been proven right is gaslighting sweetheart x x

What has come true so far?

It takes me seconds to dismiss your horseshit live, in the moment. I don't need to go back over anything. It's just you positioning yourself as some 18 month all seeing visionary. But you can't back it up can you?

Well, I read this this morning So you "called all of this in Summer 23" but you can't say exactly what it is you called? Super clear.

What has come true so far?

Exactly. Does this genius think the "two years down" thing starts again next season (so we simply must stay down 25/6 and 26/7 for the greater good) or not? Absolutely copper-bottomed bullshit that the best thing for this club in any year is to start with less money and fewer prospects than we could otherwise get. Absolute nonsense.

What are these things that you have been going on about for "18 months" have you been proven correct about? Tell us. The salaries/wages thing was more than one post from you and you know it.

You spent quite a lot of time saying we needed at least four £30m players on 4 year 100k a week contracts. Until it was pointed out that clubs like Brighton and Brentford don't have anything like that and then you eventually backed down. You're on an open top bus parade thinking you've been proved right about staying down two seasons being better but us being shit this year is not proof of that concept. An SFC in the Championship this season is a completely different beast to this SFC today - for example Flynn or THB never sign for us, Bednarek, KWP leave etc etc. The very best time to get promoted is the season you're in. No ifs, no buts. Season 2 in the Championship doesn't get you closer to spending "£200m" in a promotion season, it gets you further away, and more baked in excuses as to why we are shit coming back up (we've been away two years what do people expect etc etc) So in your little mind you are some soothsayer with genius foresight but sorry I have absolutely no idea what you think you have been proven correct about. All I see you is you being wrong about stuff.

What happened under Russell Martin prior to that isn't relevant. It's the complete lack of self awareness that I find quite sweet really.

I've made my argument already, which is when we go down with Martin, and if he is still our manager you will immediately flip to caveats and expectation management and downplaying everything that no actually we are not favourites to go up etc etc etc So what's the point in keeping Russell Martin because he ain't going to win the Championship with us and you won't ever say that he will. You don't like it but the fact is Sheffield United sacked their guy. Luton didn't and they're fucked.

😂😂😂 Of course changing the manager doesn't fit your narrative. Of course not.

Of course this yo yo stuff is all horseshit on this forum. The exact same people now making out that this pitiful season is all for the greater good because we'll storm the Championship next season will conveniently forget all of that come August 1st. Immediately those exact people will flip Immediately into making out how hard the Championship is, really we're underdogs when you think about it and Russell Martin will have done a brilliant job if we manage scrape sixth if you consider the scar tissue and remember we finished bottom you people need to be realistic etc etc etc. Just like we had all last season when anyone saying "hang on, we should be challenging for the title with our resources" was shouted down by the Martinettes. Don't believe the bullshitters.

Sheffield United sacked Heckingbottom early December last year. Luton have not sacked their manager because as all the geniuses know, Chopping and Changing never works.