CB Fry

Indeed. We've got to just win whenever the opportunity arises. Let's hope WBA are still hungover and some of them wander out onto the pitch with a straw donkey under their arm or with a new tattoo they can't remember getting.

Strange you used the mid-season sacking of Ranieri and Mourinho and the potential mid season sacking of Conte to make a point earlier. Now you've gone off mid-season sackings. Right-o.

Don't you want our players to play well then? Personally I'd like him to score a hat-trick.

I'm hopeful - someone somewhere said it is on TV in Australia so that's good. As long as it is on TV somewhere, there should be a stream.

You've not noticed the same leadership team are currently too embarrassed to sack a manager for doing significantly worse than Puel? That is actually happening, in real life, right now? That's my point. The question is would they have done it, not should they. The fact that Puel would have successfully delivered a key objective, combined with the proven behaviours shown by our managerial team this year suggest that on the balance of probabilities that they wouldn't have. You're not so great with the hypothetical questions, are you love?

Except SFC are adverse to sacking managers because we are seeing it happen now, with our current manager and the exact same leadership team. Or are you saying results haven't "dipped significantly" this season, because I think they have. I think that point is fairly obvious. And they dithered plenty when they did sack him. The fact that he would have delivered one of his key objectives - European football, for a pretty unheard of third straight season - would I think easily have swung it in his favour.

Did Ranieri and Mourinho get sacked in the summer immediately after their successful seasons? No and no. Conte still remains unsacked. You brought them up as comparables not me. A cup winning Puel taking us into Europe would not have been sacked, we agonised enough over sacking him anyway. We wouldn't be agonising, we'd be flogging commemorative DVDs and creating comedy European Tour youtubes. Les Reed and Krugeur would be basking in the glory of #wemarchon. The narrative would not be about failure.

Rudi Garcia for one.

If we'd have won the cup and qualified for Europe for the third season in a row we wouldn't have been on a downward trajectory. We would have had a victory parade around the city. That's not a downward trajectory. And Conte wasn't sacked within days of the victory celebration, neither was Ranieri and neither was Mourinho.

Except in this scenario he won the League Cup, which would have made him one of greatest managers of our history.

Blimey. No we we would have not sacked a cup winning manager who just led us into a third consecutive European campaign. Would have changed the entire shape of the season and the summer. So no. Pretty academic now though.

This. With injuries what will be, will be. Pellegrino should be relentlessly trying to bed down his strongest team for the run in and he should play it today. We don't play again for a week so it's just a normal week of the season with a week's rest. And, y'know, we could do with a bit of practice of actually winning football matches because we have done precious little of that.

I'm not going to lie, I love me a Toblerone.

No he hasn't you bellend.

I'll do a bingo card. Didn't panic Stability Time to adapt Highly rated young coach Green Bay Packers Different approach Supportive environment Role model Ambition

It's pretty clear we are not going to sack him until it's too late, if then. That Wilson puff-piece reads to me that the club have prioritised proving they were "right" about Pellegrino (ie finishing 16th/17th, whoopee) is more important than taking affirmative action to keep us in the league. Upcoming results "could be pivotal" for Pellegrino's future - "could be" FFS and why is Pellegrino's future a "pivotal" thing - our staying in the division is the pivotal thing, not some experiment with a terrible manager that none of the fans have any interest in or enthusiasm for. Project Pellegrino is the pivotal thing? Eff me. So, he's got plenty of "oh well, a point on reflection is quite good really/yes we lost but St James Park is always a tough place to go" bullsh it left in the tank then. Every and any excuse will be used and we will not sack that man. Madness.

No he hasn't. Top ten and top six are completely different prospects. We could be top ten, we couldn't be top six.

Not so much chicken and egg as incremental gains/declines from natural or starting level. Shane Long would be better under Poch. Kane would be worse under Pellegrino. This is just about them as managers and What they get out of players in general. I'm not considering managers having favourites or particular player enjoying playing for one boss, also known as the Kevin Nolan/Paul Telfer rule. That's a separate thing.

I'd like to see them, or Gabbiadini or Boufal or Lemina or Oriel or Cedric or even JWP playing for Pochettino. Something inside me reckons he'd get more out of them. If you genuinely think we'd be bottom three if we had Pochettino in charge then I've got nothing to say really.

Nah, not true. Romeu was just a easy platitude, he's hardly going to say different. It's not about the micro management of "standing behind each player for 90 minutes" (whoever thought a manager does that??) but it is about strategy, game management, people management, creating a culture of success, recognised standards, discipline, incremental gains, providing focus, a positive working environment and so on and so on. I haven't even mentioned picking the flipping team. Our manager has destroyed the team by being sh it at most of the above. I don't know what bits he is actually sh it at because I'm not there but the output of it is what dribbles out on to the pitch each week. Rubbish. He's not manager for "90 minutes", he's manager for every day, every training session, every debrief, every planning meeting, every team build, every decision, every argument, every bust-up, every bonding session. We also know he picks terrible sides and often terrible tactics - that much we can see. In the 90 mins he's clearly terrible. If you dropped our Mauricio in place of that other famous Mauricio, do you think Spurs would do just as well as now? Because it's all about the players right? Pellegrino for Pep?

Exactly right, seems the club really has been consumed by it's own spin - I think they genuinely think they think they look in control of the situation and they think they look above/better than other clubs by not sacking him. It's so strange that the narrative of finishing top 8/challenging for Europe has been diminished into clinging on to our league status just because we refuse to sack someone who is patently incapable of delivering that. We could have sacked this guy in November and be challenging top 8 right now. But smug pig-headed pride has stopped us doing what any other club would have done. Our media perception of being a "well run club" is shot to sh it whether we stay up or not. The Paul Merson/Talksport/rent-a-pundit truisms of "you can't keep selling your best players etc etc" AND "who do SFC think they are if they sack a manager who took them to 8th" will have both been proven correct if we finish 17th or 20th. We've gifted them being proven right on a plate. The idea that the club think that them smugly saying "look at us sticking by the manager" is going to trump those notions is a joke - the season has been a total failure, staying up or not. So, here we are kamikaze-ing out the league for what? Some Argentine barely any Saints fan had even heard of this time last year. What the actual fu ck.

"This is complete guess work of course" No sh it mate.

Well, it's obvious we're not sacking him before Saturday, and I'll assume that he's safe for Burnley as well - if the board haven't got the wherewithal to sack him for being in the bottom three after 27 matches, then they will easily brush off a cup exit. So you're wasting your time looking at it day by day. It won't be today, it won't be tomorrow, it won't be the next day. I've given up on us ever sacking him now, apart from maybe with three games to go when we're already down and Kelvin gets to bounce around on the touchline for "the proudest day of my life" on the front of the programme or some such bol locks. The best guide to our inaction is the transfer windows and this will be much the same. A club utterly destroyed by inertia and appalling non-decisions.

The President and the Vice-President have said their thoughts and prayers are with the victims so I don't really know what else they could possibly do.

Pretty sure if you asked a Sheffield Wednesday fan that, they'd look at you like you were some kind of retard. But hats off on delivering the most spectacular of responses to what is a pretty straightforward hypothetical question. The question is relegation and winning the cup THIS season. Whatever happens after that is just for the winds of fate. Because, you see, we could get relegated anyway. Really, really fu cking simple. Keep up.