CB Fry

No idea what you're on about now.

I think it's somewhat amazing that if two of our wins were defeats we'd be down in tenth.

Not "apparently it didn't matter" but it actually didn't matter. You may have missed this, but we won the game 3-2.

All I can say is I have thoroughly enjoyed lots of seasons in my lifetime, this being one of them, whereas you judge every single season for the last thirty years as mediocre or worse. Such a strange way to support a football club.

That's the spirit. I think we are in a mini league between 6th and 10th, and if we end up 6th that's a great season all things considered. Personally, I think we are on for seventh, eighth or ninth.

The club still "eroding away" then? I thought you'd find a way to not celebrate such a fantastic result. Seriously, well done.

Obviously not a must win, but would be nice to win.

Putting people on ignore isn't running away, but making knowingly ridiculous statements as if they are true (lying) and then refusing repeated requests to explain or back up your position, is running away. You've done it countless times.

I do say so. Because that's what you do.

SOG, It's called backing up things you say with evidence and proof, as opposed to lying and then running away. I know you're far more familiar with the latter course of action.

Not really. You wouldn't be claiming twenty years of hero worship of Frank Field if he had come out from Remain and you've admitted it. And if it "isnt about personalities" why are you going on about Frank Field's personality? And let's remember again, this exchange started with the imaginary situation that you conjured up in your feeble mind that someone like Buctootim was "fine" with Ann Widdecombe before she came out for leave. Always a pleasure.

If he was called Brendandino Rodriguez and it was Fluminese he'd taken to second in the league, you wouldn't be able to move for hipsters suggesting him.

Surely there should be a principle that parents of disabled children should get state support regardless of earnings? Two households on £100k collectively a year but one has a disabled child and one with not-disabled child. The family with the disabled child are still at a significant financial disadvantage - paying for a disabled child isn't a luxury, it's not discretionary spend of disposable income.

I believe that phenomenon is known as "Saganowski's law".

Obviously it isn't going to be any of the hipsters go-to names of Bielsa or Sambiaso but we'll done chaps on suggesting them. Can see it being someone Dutch again, but personally I could live with Brendan Rodgers who I think would be a fine fit with us.

If we're talking about "poor reasoning", let's remember this exchange started out with you suggesting Buctootim "would have been fine" with Ann Widdecombe prior her coming out for the leave campaign. Because centre-left people were all "fine" with Ann Widdecombe three days ago, but not now. Right. Great "reasoning". I'm suggesting no such thing as you describe in your little strawman argument but I am suggesting you would not be swooning over Frank Field on this thread if he was on the Remain side. You'd be attacking him and not making out you have some long standing admiration for him. But nows your chance. You can start naming the C-list Labour figures from the late-nineties who you "respect" but support the remain campaign. Estelle Morris maybe? Paul Boetang? Chris Smith? Charles Clarke? Jack Cunningham? Must be someone amongst that lot whose "well argued" positions you've admired for years, right? Obviously it is just a gigantic coincidence that the two early-Blair era Labour politicians you have, like, always had admiration for just so happen to be up front on the Leave campaign but you can now show how you have admiration for lots of Labour politicians now and not just Frank and Kate. If it was, say, Alan Milburn and Tessa Jowell turning out for leave instead of Field and Hoey it would be them you'd suddenly pretend that you'd always respected all along and admired their well argued positions and everything, honest you have.

What does this even mean?

You're basing your opinion of Frank Field and Kate Hoey based entirely on the fact they happen to agree with you on one issue. That's the single, only reason you suddenly have "respect for their opinions".

We'll sell loads of those socks in China.

I'd hazard a tiny guess that Buctootim would not consider Anne Widdecombe "fine" in any circumstance. You're the one who has brought her into this thread because she has come out on your side, if she had released a frothing rhetoric for a the stay campaign you wouldn't be so keen would you? Even at the height of her career she was a political pygmy. Much like Kate Hoey who the out campaign, and our very own Lord Duckhunter, are now swooning over her as a collosus of Labour entirely driven by the side she's picked, ignoring the fact she is and was an utter non-entity. So nice line of argument Wes but I think it is the Out campaign displaying that behaviour infinitely more than the In side.

Yes, yes, yes but you are missing the forum experts view. When we were bimbling around ninth/eighth place for the entire season with a threadbare squad we were apparently "pulsating with ambition". When we actually were challenging for fourth right up until the last weeks of the season, and challenging for sixth on the last day, we apparently were being run by people whose are lying to us about the ambition of the club and we can't "inherently believe the words coming out of their mouths". You couldn't make up the delusion, you really, really couldn't.

Being that you have a rap sheet a mile long of you earnestly whining about religion in football on this forum, and as one of the single most humourless dullards this forum has ever known, I think you can rest assured that no-one, absolutely no-one, will believe you did this as a wind up. Stick to your little computer game world. Life is much simpler there.

Cortese ran for the hills before he ever had to deliver any of his promises so remember that when you swoon over him - he quit, he ran, he did not stick it out and face into the challenge. No ambition. Quitter. Not employed anywhere else. I think you need to accept that we are not going to finish higher and higher and higher every single season forever. You saying sixth is the "absolute minimum" is ridiculous for a club like us. As for not believing Les, I'd like to know what he says that hasn't been true. He's been very clear about what we absolutely will not do, and that's been consistent for several years. Your complaint seems to be we are not doing things you want, but those are the things he said we won't do. He's not lying, he's just not doing what you want. Very different. My recommendation is enjoy the moment now because it's fleeting and whining about what we're not doing is distracting you from what we are doing. Which is just great and will not last forever.

MLG making it so easy for the rest of us. He's like a gift from God.

With all due respect, you're not really making any sense now. Either the Champions League thing is "a fantasy, what I'd like to see happen" or its something you can berate the club for not having "a pathway" for. You seem to try and have it both ways. I'll repeat what I said earlier - how is pootling into 9th in January 2014 "showing ambition" but registering our record points total in the Premier and highest finish for nearly 30 years is airily dismissed as "steadying the ship"? Just nonsense I'm afraid. You seem to really dislike the fact that we got far closer to UCL under the current management than any previous management. It's a fact. Accept it. Lastly, Stoke are currently 9th and clearly aren't "happy to stay up season after season" - they are trying to push for Europe just like us. Here's how this works. Les has explained it, Cortese used to say much the same. We will try to finish in the CL spots, trying to be ready when big clubs fail. But we will not match big clubs budgets and the whole thing requires everything to fall into place perfectly as well as the fundementals we can control (good management, signing well scouted players, good infrastructure, team spirit and purpose). If we had the injury record Leicester have had this season, last season I personally think we might have been two places higher, maybe knocking on the door more than that. Still, this season we are still there. 7th. Not 15th. Not 17th. Not even 12th. 7th. That's not "happy to have stayed up". On my planet, that's called seventh place. Les Reed and Cortese both explained our European ambition and how we will achieve it in much the same way. Many, many times now. Read or Listen to what they say, get your head around it, and then enjoy the most successful period we've had for thirty years. At some point in your lifetime and mine, we'll be back in the Championship so Christ knows how you'll manage to cope with that.