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Yeah. Thank god we're now one of the, what, must be fewer than five teams in whole of Europe that play in plain red tops. We're just so distinctive these days.

Would you prefer it if Lowe was still in charge???? Dutch duo £90,000 Catering Rapid turnover of managers 4th in Premier League on Christmas day Hollow day out at Wembley in pointless cup

Our Tan was the pioneer and currently the only case study of "them Orientals love a red kit, they do. All forward thinking clubs are changing to all red to make untold millions all over Oriental-land. I mean, look at Cardiff" Tan was the forum sweetheart only a few months ago as a groundbreaking red kit pioneer. I am disappointed this hero-worship hasn't translated into more support from the forum visionaries. How quickly you turn.

Can someone quote what Turkish and Kraken are saying please.

Don't know about you lot but I quite like the cut of Sherwood's jib. In his press conference he had a nice line about the bulls hit manager-speak of "the project". There ain't no project, just win or be sacked. Beyond that he comes across pretty well. On current scant evidence he's on my list to replace Pochettino when he goes.

DO GROUNDHOG DAY!!!

I think we all understand that. Thanks. That said part of my concern with this issue is the relish and pleasure some fans seem to tale from the prospect of finishing, say, seventh, over a trophy or a Wembley trip. It might be the way of the world, but fans don't have to lap it up quite so meekly. Just because Sky Sports say it doesn't make it so. And anyway, someone needs to tell Alan Pardew who specifically said he wanted to win the League Cup this season.

This is dull, but just because you are embarrassingly wrong twice.... 1) I've said where I think we'll finish this season plenty of times: 8-10th. Not changed since the summer. So you're wrong there. 2) I haven't been "going on about weakened teams" you have. I've only talked about one match. One. Just you extrapolating it all out to form pointless strawman arguments. Just you. My final point is this. People are on here telling me to cheer up. Well, I think Saints can finish top ten, probably eighth, and do well in a cup, even win one, this season. Definitely. Everything in place to do that in 2013-14. We don't get many seasons like that. Miserable people call that "naive", don't they Oldnick? But I think, all in all that's a nice optimistic and realistic aspiration for the team I support. I think those quoting pounds and pence and those calling the League Cup "small fry" are the miserable gits, but hey ho. If you like totting up millions of pounds against league places, Fill yer boots. Have fun. Get your kids to join in too. More fun than going to Wembley I'm sure.

What are you on about? I've never said anything about full strength teams. You think it's naive to think we can do this season what Strachan did a decade ago with far less resources. And interesting you sneer at 10th - yesterday you didn't support Saints for the glory. I love the way you cannot stick to one opinion even within 24 hours.

Running away? From you and your own pi ss weak questioning based on something I have never said or even suggested? Right you are. Loads of times I was happy to play weakened teams. All last seaso's cup games, all the cup games from the season before. I was happy with the Bristol City team and said so before kick off, it's just you making up that I wasn't. I think we should have gone for it in the LC this season.Far from the"scared of having an opinion", I've been crystal clear on the opinion. It's you that is petrified of that opinion so has to construct bullsh it strawmen to take me on. Let's remember: you said I was naive to think we can do well in a cup and finish top ten. Naive. Well, we'll see won't we.

Doesn't being called up for England qualify as being "sung" these days? J-Rod has been great this season and has been recognised for it.

That's your comeback? A Strawman the size of Bernard Manning. Not worth the effort.

You saying "no one sees Wigan's cup victory as a triumph" is as much a strawman as anything anyone else has said, as is your suggestion that winning a trophy doesn't count as "achieving success". It's an effing scarecrow convention son. Winning a trophy is achieving success and you suggesting that people who feel that way are building strawmen just shows how mental this argument is. Southampton FC: one trophy in more than One hundred years. One f ucking trophy.

Hope you're not referring to me sunshine. Because you know full well I have never said we should play our strongest team in all cup games. Keep bull sh itting, it's deliciously desperate.

I tell you what isn't black and white NickG. The idea that finishing, say, eighth this season means we will finish sixth the following season, then fourth, and so on. The idea that we are locked into a three, four, five, ten year journey is really pretty fanciful, and more black and white than anything I've said. And clearly those League finishes is never going to "fund cup runs" because people like you are never going to support a cup run, there will always be some other league-based target you would prioritise. No one knows who our owner, manager or team will be even this time next year. No one. Only last summer we had rumbles of Cortese walking but now that's all fine for "a couple of decades" (Rasiak-9's timeframe) of top six/four finishes? So I agree. It ain't that black and white.

Christ. I felt a little bit of my soul die reading that. Just as a counterpoint I would say it is more ambitious to want to see us win a cup this season or next season than mentally sacrifice them all for the wafer thin chance that in twenty years time we are a team that might finish fourth. Seriously, life's too short. Let's get to Wembley. Your twenty year spreadsheet-strategy view on our football club seems utterly soulless. You can keep it. And excellent playing, yet again, of the "cup-wins-equate-with-relegation" card. Look at Wigan! Look at Wigan! Ridiculous.

AND WE WOULD GET RELEGATED WIGAN WIGAN WIGAN FFS.

So what exactly are we to conclude from this? Are you saying Lowe pretty much invested in the first team about the same as Cortese? Or is Cortese more or less just as tightfisted now as Lowe was then? As the amounts are "probably less but not by as much as you might think" (ie not much different in real terms) then it follows that you have to believe one of the two statements above. So do let us know.

You need to team it up with a protest march through town or it's all a bit pointless.

In other words: managers are replaceable. In other words: MP currently in a helicopter to North London. Nicola playing the media like an old violin.

Careful. You'll have Pap onto you, dishing out life advice to you in a minute. From time to time he likes to make out he's not a total effing nutcase.

If we'd have signed Jack Butland in the summer he'd be worth in excess of thirty million now.

Brilliant.

He was no Peter Shreeves but he did a job for us.

Is there? Where? I think what you've written is the most hysterical comment on this thread.