Ponty

You can be a member of the EU without adopting their funny money. I think so anyway. I'm sure we're proper members, aren't we? Probably not, I guess. I know sh*t.

I agree, but both were still team orders to swap positions.

Germany 2008.

People say it's against the spirit of the sport to have team orders but that's rubbish really. Up until 2002 team orders were allowed and in the early days (the great years, some might say) the number 1 driver could take the number 2 driver's car from him at any time during the race. It's really only a recent rule that's been enforced for less than 20% of the sport's true existence.

I draw the line at abuse, racism and homophobia but then I draw the line at that down the pub too. We're not all bigots, Dave.

You're actually talking a bit of arse there. If I was hypocritical and infracted everyone left, right and centre, I could take your point, but I don't. Mostly because I appreciate a bit of humour or gentle sarcasm in a discussion as that's how blokes down the pub would converse.

Rubbish. You should only be allowed to post on this forum if you don't call people who disagree with you, "Retards".

That is a disgrace.

We call it "Witless Protection" around here.

Ah shame, you shouldn't have left me off the PM list.

Anyone can change their name by request. IMO.

Alonso WAS significantly faster than Massa at the point he made the "This is ridiculous..." call to the pits, and it was. Massa was weaving, locking up and generally being unpredictable. Alonso had the pace but in order to avoid a Vettel/Webber Turkey incident there was no way he could risk a dive up the inside. What was weird is that the call to swap positions came at a point when the cars weren't lapping at wildly different pace. In fact, Massa had been on his best spell of the race. Still, it is a team sport, and if the team feel that one driver has a significantly better chance of winning the championship than the other then I don't see the problem with team orders in that respect. Vettel having Webber's wing at Silverstone being a recent example. What does annoy me is that it was so blatant and clearly robbed fans and punters of a true result. It would've been a lot easier, and far less suspicious, for Massa to have had a 'sticky' pit stop or a 'problem' that required a lean engine mixture, but no, it was so in your face. In some respects I blame Smedley for that, but the call should never have been in his hands anyway.

Cameron Diaz, Ayrton Senna and Top Gear. A perfect hour.

Result stands for now. It's up before the WMSC soon. Bit of fuss over nothing with regards to the sport; it's the fans I feel sorry for.

I saw a programme once where some professionals from the music business (DJ, Producers, Engineers, musicians) were invited to listen to music on 3 different formats played through a decent amplifier and PA system in a theatre. They had vinyl, CD and high bitrate MP3 versions of the same tracks to choose from in a blind test and, I believe, everyone chose the MP3 versions as the most authentic reproduction. I'm not saying I agree, it was very interesting though. PS. They didn't bother with cassette

But the copper had no excuse to lose his temper. I'm not sure we're coming at this from a different opinion, as I think the copper should have been prosecuted and agree that Joe Public certainly would have been, but I think the analogy is a bit flawed. Anyway, no matter.

Sorry, but I couldn't understand the comparison.

I'm guessing you didn't.

I cannot get my head round this. Why, on God's green Earth, would a copper take his 3 year old son to a riot? He should be charged with neglect at least.

Year, not hour.

Eton schoolboy error.

I only ever use the "What's New?" button. Saves hours of trawling around.

Well, that's cleared that up, thanks.

Deppo reminds me of Crouchie.

Yep, very nice. Personally I rather have one of these for similar money but I like the Merc too. http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/1884943.htm