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Doesn’t mean he’s not spot on about Boris.

Can’t see the Tories getting a majority if that is the case, they will lose too many votes to The Brexit party and Lib Dems.

How can a vote, now that we have alot more information, possibly be undemocratic? It's just common sense. The problem is we have headbangers on both side obsessed with 'winning' when fact is if we make the wrong choice we all lose. I have always been quite pro-brexit, I certainly understand the reasons why people wanted to leave. But now we know what we do, it seems a Barmy choice when you weigh up the possible risks v rewards.

That's the problem, it never is a one issue election because people have different priorities. If Boris wins then it would be probably because people don't want Corbyn as PM, not because they want a no deal Brexit. There will be Remainer Tories who vote blue just like there will be brexiteer labour voters who would rather die than vote for Boris.

It's the obvious solution. Not sure why Brexiteers are so scared of a second vote if they think the people still want to leave.

The trains are always rammed around that time anyway, sounds like it’s gonna be a right mess.

MPs are paid to do what they think is best for their constituents, if they think the deal is sh!t then it is their duty to vote against it. Just like Boris did twice.

So their negotiating strategy was to threaten the EU with No Deal, now their plan is for the EU to choose No Deal when given the choice.

They could put a deal to Parliament and get it agreed on subject to a legally binding referendum - then it wouldn't have to go through Parliament again. This could have been done a year ago, we would already be out if the country still wanted to.

But if he won an election it would be because Corbyn is unelectable not because the majority want a no deal. The only people running scared are the Brexiteers who are terrified of a second referendum.

From the BBC: Why did Mr Johnson lose last week's vote? Many MPs were worried that Mr Johnson would not stick to his pledge to hold the election on 15 October - his preferred date. A motion, under the Fixed Term Parliaments Act, to call an early election does not specify the day it is to take place. Instead, MPs simply voted on whether they agreed with the statement "that there shall be an early parliamentary general election". Senior Labour figures said they would not vote for an early election while there was a risk the prime minister could move the poll to after 31 October - by which point the UK would have left the European Union. If he want to fix the date he could as you say set up a short law "notwithstanding the Fixed Term Parliaments Act" but he didn't.

Think you need to read up on how it works. If Parliament gave the go ahead for an early GE then Boris could pick and choose any date he wanted, Parliament wouldn't have a say.

The timings and reasons for his proroging Parliament are obvious. He knows he has **** all chance of getting a half decent deal wether no deal is on the table or not so is trying to shift the blame onto the opposition.

Of course he would. People said that same ****** about the idea of him shutting down Parliament to force it through.

The polling is irrelevant, if parliament agrees to an early election then all Boris has to do is move the date and we’re out without a deal If that wasn’t Boris’ plan he could easily ask for an election using a different procedure which sets the date in stone.

Don’t expect any answers. All they know is they voted for it, so whatever it is, it has to happen.

And what if the vast majority of the public want neither?

Do you really think forcing the public to choose between a Corbyn government or a no deal Brexit is a fine example of democracy?

You will get one easy.

That’s just nonsense, he doesn’t even need to get a trade deal yet, just a new withdrawal agreement with a workable solution to the NI border. He can’t get it because it just doesn’t exist. To have the Brexit he promised there needs to be a border, it’s that simple.

Nothing stopping Boris going to Brussels and actually negotiating a deal.

And Boris has until the end of September to present his alternative arrangements (which we all know do not exist), hence the current chaos.

So a second refurendum is undemocratic but forcing the public to choose between a Corbyn government and no deal is ok? That’s no choice anyone should have to face, If Boris forces that on us I think he will regret it big time.

Can’t see that happening, I expect both The Tories and Labour will get a kicking if there is a GE.

Peterborough was one of the most pro Brexit constituencies yet voted in Labour a couple of months ago so not sure about that.