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I'm not upset in the slightest, just think it's a bit of an odd thing to do, but I guess these forums are a magnet for all sorts of weirdos. It's particularly strange that you seem to think sabotaging another parties internal politics is fair game given how much you like to preach about democracy.

If you don’t think pretending to be a supporter of a party you oppose, just to vote for a bad leader is dishonest then I give up. Luckily most people don’t reside in the gutter like you, if they did then our political system would be in an even bigger mess.

Tactical voting is nothing like trying to sabotage another parties leadership contest. People vote tactically because the voting system is not fit for purpose. I have only ever voted tatically in a GE because my preferred choice has no chance of winning so rather than waste a vote I vote for the choice of the two with a chance that best represents my views - there is nothing dishonest about it at all. Pretending to be a member of a party you hate just to try and get a sh!t leader elected, is not just a bit weird but is just plain dishonest. You certainly can’t lecture anyone on being undemocratic if you support this sort of behaviour.

That's rubbish - Corbyn would have won regardless, he 49.6% of full members' votes and 57.6% of affiliated supporters so the £3 sign-ups made no difference at all. Any weirdo that paid £3 to vote for something they didn't believe in just gave money to the party.

Seriously. What sort of bellend joins an opposition party to try and influence a vote?

Doesn't change the fact that more people voted for parties that wanted to stop Brexit or hold a second vote, despite one of those parties being pretty much unelectable. The choice we had at the last election wasn't Bexit yes or No. It was Bexit yes, or maybe no but with a Marxist government led by an IRA-loving antisemite.

Football fans will moan about anything, the fans were the ones calling for VAR this time last season. It just needs the offside analysis and the handball rules tweaking and it's fine.

To be fair the Tories got a stonking majority because the opposition were a bunch of unelectable Marxists, and even then, more votes went to parties who favoured a second referendum or cancelling Brexit altogether.

Obviously Ings.

I thought he was finished after the 0-9 but fair play to the man, it takes a lot to come back from that. He’s obviously a fantastic manager.

True, Iran and the US are both to blame.

To be fair, the fact that they were expecting an American air attack would have made the chances of this sort of thing more likely, if it was an accidental surface to air missile that brought it down. These things happen when you put a country with a third rate military on a war footing. Obviously, whoever was operating the missile shoulders most of the blame but fact is, if Trump hadn't have murdered Soleimani then all these people would probably be still alive.

You may be right, to be honest I don't really pay much attention to the Royals so couldn't say. When they talked about climate change it interested me and I was astounded at the vitriol aimed at them for just trying to do some good. I guess the average Daily Mail reader took comfort in the highlighting of their hypocrisy, made their own lifestyles less guilt free.

They were not lecturing anyone, they were just trying to do their bit to help save the planet. What is wrong with you people, surely trying to help is a good thing regardless of their carbon footprint - yes? Little Englanders didn’t like what they said because 1. It’s the truth and 2. It wasn’t told to them by the usual beardy, sandal-wearing lefty, it was the darlings of their establishment echoing what the likes of Jeremy Corbyn have been saying for decades. Of course there is more than a hint of hypocrisy, but the same can be said for anyone that has ever spoken out about the environment, especially anyone rich and famous.

That’s typical of the attitude which is making them want to get out of this country. All they were doing is use their position to promote a good cause and instead of being praised for trying to help they just get vilified for being hypocritical.

Oh come on, the fact that you listed Corbyn’s links with Russia as a negative when Boris/Cummins clearly have a stronger association shows the power of the bias in the media. What was it, the Telegraph Corbyn is Stalin headline, or the picture of him in a Russian looking hat?

LOL you are proving our point perfectly. You perceived Corbyn as having Russian links because of what you have read/seen in the media yet Boris' chief advisor lived and worked in Russia for years, Boris has Russian links himself and has suppressed a report into Russian interference in our democracy.

What are Corbyn's Russian links then?

Of course he would have. You must agree that the press bias had an influence in the result though - agree?

Not really playing a blinder though is it, he just ripped up one of the red lines and stuffed a border through the middle of the UK. May could have got a deal ages ago if she could just ignore one of the red lines. Playing a blinder would have been keeping the UK as a whole and coming up with that mythical technological solutions to the Irish border you lot kept on banging on about.

Good on them, they will be better off away for the scummy press in this country.

No 'Lefties' just want a good standard of education for everyone. It's right wing loons like you that cry like babies and scream "Venezuela" at the thought of paying the tax needed.

Of maybe that by experiencing grammar school first hand he has a better idea than most about what little they do for equality of opportunity?

Not sure how an opinion of a right wing nut-job like you is even relevant? You’re never going to be one of their target voters. Labour lost because their leader was a toxic brand, his policies were too extreme and Brexit destroyed their core vote. As long as they come up with a half sensible manifesto I doubt they will have much problem winning their traditional seats back as none of those will be a factor. Winning overall is a different story though obviously. Everything depends on how Brexit plays out, for that we will just have to wait and see.

Starmer is probably the best out of that lot IMO. But I expect after five years of Boris, Labour could have Crusty the Clown as leader and still win back the Red Wall.