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I suggested that on page 7 but apparently it's been debunked, not sure how.

These links show a good scientific explanation of the complex mathematical puzzle that was solved by Inmarsat engineers surviving on pizza for 6 days/nights while working on the problem in London. http://physicsbuzz.physicscentral.com/2014/03/how-did-inmarsat-really-find-flight.html http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-03-25/malaysia-jet-traced-with-physics-in-pizza-fueled-inmarsat-huddle.html I see no reason to doubt the evidence, the certainly seem to be pretty transparent about what they are doing as well, can't see any motive for a cover up of any sort. I doubt we will ever find out the reasons behind this, I think there is a week before the black box stops sending a signal and a guy on the radio today said it would be like searching for a suitcase in the Alps, underwater.

Wow, that is heroic stuff. Well done West stand Apologies if any of my posts offended, weren't meant to. I'm just not a big fan of some of the paranoid conspiracy theories flying around. You obviously know your stuff!

Wow, that is heroic stuff. Well done mate. Apologies if any of my posts offended, weren't meant to.

If a bomb/explosion took out the comms and killed or impaired the pilots whilst damaged the cockpit couldn't that explain the erratic flying? If a passenger or flight attendant is trying to fly a damaged plane without any help it's probably gonna end up with some weird results.

They might be watching Gosport twice a season soon.

At first I thought it was an attempted 9/11 incident that was shot down but the technical data and the satellite info didn't fit. Then when the pilots personal issues were reported I thought suicide was most likely but if it turns out the plane flew all the way down to the Southern Indian Ocean that theory looks a bit unlikely. I'm leaning more now to a explosion/incident that knocked out the comms and damaged the cockpit, the pilots or someone on board tried to turn it around but everyone on board died/loss consciousness and it ended off just flying until the fuel ran out. This theory would obviously falls flat if it is certain the comms were deliberately switched off. The whole thing is ****ing weird.

I was taking the p!ss in response to Weston claiming to be ITK about one of the biggest, as yet, unsolved mysteries of our time. I never once aimed it towards your hero guy. The point I was trying to make was that I have read untold views from pilots over the last week to know that, thought they are best placed to have an opinion, you shouldn't necessarily take what they say as gospel. Blimey, I posted one such theory earlier on in this thread as was immediately told it was nonsense. As for what my opinion is worth, obviously very little. But I think after the Rigby episode you are probably not the best judge. Crisis actors weren't they?

More on the ping thing here: http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/malaysia-airlines-flight-mh370-would-have-been-found-if-communications-box-had-10-upgrade-1441174 Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370 Would Have Been Found If Communications Box Had $10 Upgrade The missing Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370 might have been found by now if a small communications box on the plane had been configured to send out more frequent reports, according to British satellite communications firm Inmarsat. Timeline Malaysia Airlines' Missing Flight MH370 Malaysian Airlines flight MH370 took off from Kuala Lumpur International Airport for Beijing with 239 people onboard at 00:41 local time on 8 March but lost contact with air traffic control 50 minutes later. It has now emerged that the airplane's Aircraft Communications Addressing and Reporting System (Acars) system was deliberately turned off, yet the Boeing 777 plane still continued to send out "pings" to Inmarsat's satellite for seven hours after it lost contact. The pings are small bursts of data which are sent out by the satellite network to the plane every hour to check if it is still on the network, and according to Inmarsat, Flight MH370 sent out seven hourly pings in response to the network's request. "When the plane was still missing on Sunday (the day after it disappeared), our engineers looked at the network data and realised that the plane had been sending signals," Inmarsat Senior Vice President Chris McLaughlin told IBTimes UK. "We couldn't say what direction it had gone in, but the plane wasn't standing still because the signals were getting longer, i.e. further in distance from our satellite." Data transmissions not mandated The planned search area for MH370 debris in the southern Indian OceanReuters The hunt for the missing plane has been going on for the last 12 days and 26 countries have joined in to search. The latest lead pointed to two large objects floating in the southern Indian ocean, but nine hours of searching found only a freighter and two schools of dolphins. Critics of the aerospace industry are now calling out its "outdated" accident investigation process and asking for data from the black box to be streamed in-flight to the cloud, which could be expensive, but McLaughlin says that the plane could have been found by now if the communications box buried in the plane's avionics had been configured to send out more frequent reports. "What we have at the moment would have been fine if the airlines had been mandated to provide data on all their flights. The only area where data is mandated is on the transatlantic route, which is so busy that everyone needs to know where all the other planes are," he said. "We may never know what happened to the plane because the cockpit is not mandated to be monitored in other areas, and we urge regulators to look into this." The Inmarsat Classic Aero is installed in 90% of the world's commercial jets, and it is this little box which sent out the pings of information. The box has been in use "for decades" and sends information to the Inmarsat-3 and Inmarsat-4 satellites stationed in the geosynchronous belt 22,300 miles above Earth. Only costs $10 "You really do need to know the height, distance, direction and a record of what has been going on the flight deck in a regular burst every 15 to 30 minutes," said McLaughlin. "If the box had been configured to send out these bursts, we would have located the plane by now." Read More: Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370: Black Box Data 'Should be Uploaded to the Cloud' Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370: Only Dolphins and Freighter Found as Debris Search Proves Fruitless Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370: Australian Planes Search Indian Ocean for Debris Spotted by Satellite Malaysia Airlines MH370: Fox News Host Refers to Noah's Ark in Search for Missing Plane Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370: The Agony and Anger of Families Desperate for News Configuring the box is up to each individual airline operator but receiving data from a five to seven hour flight would only cost $10 (£6) per flight. Air France Flight 447 crashed into the Atlantic Ocean in 2009 but within five days, major wreckage had been removed by the Brazilian Navy, because Air France had configured their Classic Aero box to send back information every four minutes. The black box, however, took another two years and €32m to retrieve from the ocean floor. An upgrade to Classic Aero is currently going through testing, called SwiftBroadband. The new product will give 512Kbps of broadband to flights, which would be enough to send text messages, make phone calls, and crucially, to stream information into the cloud. "When it takes two years to find a black box, you're looking for a needle in a haystack, and technology has moved on now. You need both the ability to burst/stream information off the plane in real-time, and you need a black box in case of a [disaster] so we can find out what happened," McLaughlin stressed. "Streaming information about the flight into the cloud would work with 512Kbps as you're talking about small bits of text-based data, no graphics, no video, just kilobits, not megabits."

I havn't tried to bully anyone, just disagreed with his theory. Nothing wrong with that. Despite his legendary status for whatever he did I am still not convinced it's a big cover up. Happy to be proved wrong though.

That is perfectly valid, on http://www.pprune.org there are plenty of current professional pilots who's theories get debunked by more knowledgable posters (not me of course). A big gripe on there is people appearing in the media who don't really know what they are talking about.

All valid points. How's the Lee Rigby false flag theory getting on?

But if the Inmarsat ping definitely gives a GPS position don't you think the Chinese and the rest of the aviation industry would be fully aware of it's capability? It's not like it's top secret military technology, it's available for anyone to buy on the open market. From what i can see it's not the sort of info that could be kept under wraps. I can understand a country's military wanting to be a bit cagey about what they can and cannot see (and that's a different matter) but this is a private company with a commercial product.

I don't doubt that it is possible. I just don't subscribe to the theory that the information is being withheld whilst China, Austraila and co search half the southern hemisphere looking for the missing people.

Pilots obviously know more about his stuff, that why I've been following this site; http://www.pprune.org They all seem pretty happy with the ping information, here's a few posts: "Sadly, I think all Inmarsat has to work with is the time of flight of radio waves between their satellite and the aircraft on the hour, plus the uncertain time lag required for the aircraft's satcom box to reply. My understanding is that for a few dollars more, Inmarsat would have an hourly GPS position transmitted from the aircraft in their archives." "The pings are time distances from the satellite and translated to an arc subtended from the point immediately below the satellite. By definition these lines do not provide positions from which to drive a strait (sic) line. The lines will be a measurable distance apart. Let us assume they are at one hour intervals and are 200 miles apart; this gives a velocity vector of 200 mile/hr towards the statellite sub-point. You can then use a ruler marked off with the max ground speed, say 450 kts, and use this to fit the 450 mile marks to the arc. If you subtend this from the last know position it will give to a track at a given angle to the North with a similar mirror image to the South. If you now mark the rule with either the minimum speed you can get another track which will be closer to the direct line to the satellite ground position. You now have two sectors, one to the north and one to the south. The line joining the two points at the end of the sector arcs will give a possible line of position. These lines can then be plotted further on if it is assumed that the aircraft flew one for a time after the last ping. Only if you assume the correct groundspeed would you have a discrete pair of tracks. The closer together the ping arcs the greater the track angle would be to the north and south. The logic only holds good if the aircraft made no course changes between pings and flew at a constant ground speed." "Given a number of recent posts on the methods of interpreting the INMARSAT ‘ping’ data, here is my understanding of how this will have been done by the NTSB. Each ping specifies a distance from the INMARSAT F1 sub-satellite point at 64degrees East on the equator. On the Earth’s surface this is a circle (but not a great circle). A model track can be specified from the last reported position of the aeroplane off the West coast of Malaysia to any point on the circle described by the last ping. The length of that track specifies the speed of the aeroplane (since the times are known) and hence where it would be when the intermediate (every hour) pings were exchanged. The distances of these ping positions from the sub-satellite point can be compared to the actual data (held by NTSB but not us). The point on the final ping circle (the arcs) can be moved until the model track matches the data. If there is no good match, change parameters like the final turning point, smooth changes in speed along the track etc. to get a good match to the data (there is a limit to how many things can be changed before the model can fit any data). Unless the aeroplane was performing extreme and random manoeuvres during its flight (in which case it would have crashed earlier) a course and speed of quite high accuracy can be obtained, I think." For what it's worth this site is full of professional pilots, none can say with much degree of certainty what what happened to the plane.

Exactly, the idea that they have an exact GPS position of where this plane crashed and they are suppressing it is just too far fetched IMO. The capabilities of the technology used in the engines would be common knowledge within the industry, it is not information that could or would be kept secret. The internet is awash with "look at me Im a pilot" type people talking sh!te. It's just a vehicle for their attention seeking alot of the time.

The Chinese are going to be right f*cked off when they find out West Stand knew how to find their plane all along. This could get interesting.

I don't doubt the fact that we are not being told everything but if it is common knowledge within the industry that the engines give off a GPS position then that's not the sort of information a government would or could withhold.

Maybe he should call one of the thousands of people searching for the plane and let them in on his little secret?

I thought what he was doing was confusing the brand more than anything. Sure the club was appearing to be more professionally run but the treatment of the crest was clumsy and dicking about with the kit works against the club having a cohesive identity. If you look at the biggest brands in English football like Man U and Arsenal, they all appear modern and professional whilst embracing their tradition and history.

It's happened before with an airliner and people go on suicide/murder rampages all the time, pilots are no different to anyone else. A hijacking gone wrong is plausible but there are so many ways a pilot can quickly SOS I find that unlikely. It would be interesting to actually know what the cargo was though. If it turns out there was something really valuable on board it would obviously make that more likely.

I guess it's just a pilot responding to the suicide/murder theories about a colleague. Still think suicide is the most likely scenario. Nothing really contradicts it. I doubt the plane will ever be found, which is probably what he wanted.

This guy has a simple, and by the sound of it, very plausible theory. Fire on board, comms disabled, pilot turns to land plane at safest location but is overcome by the fumes. http://www.wired.com/autopia/2014/03/mh370-electrical-fire/

I read somewhere that the one that "landed" at Heathrow took less than 300m to stop. Depends whether you want it down, or want it to be able to fly again.

Ukraine just need to forget about Crimea, move their forces to the border, hold elections and join the EU. A pro west government will be more likely now they have go shot of the Russians in that region. The UK should not get involved but the west should concentrate on helping what is left of Ukraine plus offer financial assistance.