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Excellent! It's funny because it's true.

But fans who have been to 4 or more home games are supporting the club more than whoever you are buying the ticket for. Like you say - loyalty needs rewarding - your mate should think about that if he wants to watch Man Utd.

If someone chooses to live miles away that is their problem, I still think someone who has been to 4+ games deserves a ticket more than someone who has been to none, regardless of who they know. That said, it would be a nice idea to give supporters groups from abroad priority as well, purely because of their situation - it should be nothing to do with who they know.

The club have got it right, better off having casual Saints fans have the tickets over w*nker plastic Mancs who just happen to know a ST holder.

Yeah, like the link on there showing how humans are not effecting the climate its due to solar activity - their graph conveniently doesn't go further than 1998 so it doesn't show the fact that the last decade was the warmest ever recorded whilst solar activity at very low levels.

That article is spot on IMO.

If this guy on PPRUNE is to be believed I wouldn't hold out too much hope in it being found: Quote: "The hunt for the missing Malaysia Airlines plane has shifted below the surface, with the "towed pinger locator" deployed on Friday to search for the black box before its batteries expire." I wish them luck with that. From experience on the SAA295 'Helderberg' job I know that they've got a sub-minimal chance of finding that pinger in the next week or two. This wreck will be found acoustically, that's almost for sure, but it'll be by low frequency (100kHz or better) side-scan sonar --- or perhaps by pp-magnetometer... Almost certainly not by a couple of pinger locators and most certainly not by a fleet of photogenic aeroplanes sent on a photo-opportunity in a show-biz charade to assuage the PR efforts of three politicians and to satiate half a hundred rolling-news networks on telly. A comparison with the Helderberg job is quite informative, mostly for its differences rather than its similarities. The water depth was broadly similar, circa four and a half Klicks if I remember correctly in that case. We never found the pinger(s). Not acoustically, anyway. After the thirty days plus ten percent we gave up dragging pinger locators around the hydrospace of the survey ground. We had a list of the co-ords of hundreds of false positives because we were under orders from bozos ashore to crank the receiver gain up the the max, but nothing of any use. We did eventually find the CVR, replete with dead pinger, but that was more or less by accident when picking up a piece of wreckage with which it was entangled. That thing of quasi-accidental discovery of the recorders is actually quite common. Same thing happened with Valujet in the swamp and yet again with TWA800. In both of those cases the {insert colo(u)r here} boxes were found when someone trod on them. We never did find the SAA295 FDR, despite the fact that it had been affixed to the aircraft immediately adjacent to the CVR. Hell, they never found the recorders from the two Boeings in lower Manhattan -- and that was a case where they knew to within ten metres or better the very exact three dimensional co-ordinates of the impact points and they had reps from Boeing subbies searching every scoopful of debris for the thick end of a year. We had the same problem, in the case of SAA295, of people ashore repeatedly switching the target area(s) as is being experienced by the poor sods at the sharp end of the MH370 search. We dreaded the hour after the end of the morning 'prayer meeting' conference calls because we knew that someone ashore would get his pencil out and make up a new box, usually in a place which could not be reconciled with any of the previous ones. Out of earshot of the shadowy civilian guy from Virginia who was leading the search from below and behind, we used to refer to those boxes as "your target for tonight". Same thing is happening with MH370. If such a bet were enforceable, and if I could find any mugs foolish enough to be a counter-party to the bet, I'd happily and profitably give odds of 100:1 against them finding the pinger with a pinger locator. They've got, at most, a couple of weeks, with only a couple of ships, neither of which (incredibly), is simultaneously towing a 100 kHz side-scan sonar. Even with vane depressors and drag reducing devices such as Hairy Fairy vortex interruptors on the lower quarter of the tow-cable, they'll be lucky to make much more than three or four knots of waterspeed. The end of line turnarounds are an absolute *****. In 87/88 we quit after doing a thousand square miles and we had the twin advantages of knowing quite accurately where the aircraft stoofed in and we had our tools in the water (titter ye not in the cheap seats!) at the locus within a week of the crash. These poor sods have none of those advantages and they are being led by an Air Chief Marshal who has reversed seamanship and placed the surface ships at the disposal and in the service of the air fleet instead of the other way around. This evening, by any timezone, we enter the fourth week of the search and they haven't found so much as a satay stick from that aeroplane. If anybody has learned anything from the AF447 fiasco, then surely they must have learned that becoming fixated on theoretical back calculations of the impact point from subsequently discovered patches of identified and confirmed flotsam can lead to unwise people becoming target fixated on wrong locations. With Helderberg we had two major advantages. One was that the flight deck crew had been aviating;navigating;communicating right up until very few (less than five) minutes before impact and had been giving copious amounts of positional and intention information to ATC. Very different to MH370. The other massive advantage we had was that the first confirmed patch of flotsam from the wreck was found, and its co-ordinates measured, just 12 hours after impact. The second patch was located just 12 hours after that. Given the non-linearity of the mathematics of oceanic dispersal, any positional information from that elusive MAS satay stick, even if found during the fourth rather than fifth week, is likely to confuse rather than clarify the impact location. It'll tell you that the wreck lies in the SouthEastern quadrant of the Indian Ocean and not at some fairytale Dawson Field in one of the 'stans, but we pretty much know that anyway. The ugly truth, quite certainly unpalatable to the two prime ministers and 230 sets of bereaved relatives, is that the best chance of finding the wreckage and a few fragments of human remains lies in a very long hard slog with side-scan sonar. It's a search which is likely to take very large fractions of a year or, more likely, multiple years. Enthusiasm for funding such a prolonged and open-ended search will surely dry up, as it always does, when the bills start flowing in and become overdue for payment.

Even if he's only out for a few weeks it will have killed his chances of going to the World Cup, his only chance was if he carried on his fine form. So sad to see, just hope it's not too serious.

We are comfortably mid-table with an exciting squad packed with talented young English players, and we are owned by a multi bilionaire - yeah, I'm sh!tting myself. Seriously, if you are worried when we are in this position you might as well give up being a Saints fan because it won't ever get much better.

No reason why not, just needs a bit of common sense applying.

Has to be our worst signing ever, by a mile.

Marsden, Richards, kakhoul, Dodd, pahars, Hurst?, Oakley, bridge, Ripely, Hiley?, beattie, p jones, Davies, Claus, Gray, d jones, Some non-descript Norwegian, Hughes,, Boa Morte, x, Benali. Front: x, ***t, cowens.

That argument is a complete cop out, it's nonsense like that which makes me hate politicians. Wether it is before the event or after it is irrelevant, we still havn't had a say.

I can see support for UKIP growing and growing to be honest. Many of the issues people face everyday such as downward pressure on wages, lack of housing, difficulty in getting your kid into your chosen school, pressure on services and youth unemployment make the open door immigration policy seem barmy.

I lost count of the amount of times Clegg resorted to slating Farage and UKIP instead of dealing with the question. They were supposed to be debating the EU, what the hell has Farage's opinion on Putin got to do with anything?

Farage is wiping the floor with him.

Exactly, why do you think he wanted to come out and tell us what a difficult financial position the club are in?

They would never say anything else.

Hoffsteter obviously said what he said for a reason. Last week our manager was saying we had the best left back in the world, today we have a director announcing a "difficult" financial position and being left with a "burden". They might as well have said "Gentlemen, let the bidding commence". The figures don't seem like anything to worry though, it all depends how much money KL wants to make/throw away.

Na, they just make it all up for a laff.

"Whilst I perceive that we have inherited a difficult situation financially, there are now clear and structured plans in place to progress the club and avoid a similar situation from occurring again," Hofstetter said in a statement. Cortese was at Southampton from 2009 and was widely credited with helping to bring stability off the pitch after years of financial turmoil. However, Hofstetter says the new board must act now to eradicate some of the "burdens" of that regime. We do not HAVE to sell anyone because we are owned by a billionaire but reading the above I think we probably will.

Oh dear, looks like we will sell Shaw then: http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/26813363 No wonder they got shot of Cortese.

Martinez is showing what an average manager Moyes is.

Warnock, like he would go there! What a complete and utter shambles that club is, just a mention of the word "portsmouth" on the radio now has me laughing. It's like watching a slow motion car crash and I get the feeling we are approaching the part when the crash test dummie's ass goes through his face and into the windscreen.

Agree. I think someone, most likely the pilot or co-pilot, went nuts (or make a protest), turned the comms of and made the sharp turn. The crew obviously shat themselves so after a period of trying to reason with him attempted to smash the cock-pit door in. That's when he made the sharp ascent - to either stop them breaking the door down or to do them in. Then either the plane flew South on auto-pilot with everyone dead or the perpetrator wanted to hide what he had done.