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I clicked no. He may turn out to be a genius appointment but it just seems to be a pointless gamble to me. For me our best Premier League managers have been Koeman, Poch, Strachan and Hoddle, all of them have played and/or managed at the highest level. It's obviously not a necessity for a manager but it helps. We have a Rookie in goal and probably the youngest back four in the league, we need a manager with some top-level knowhow IMO. There is no wriggle room for a gaffer on a learning curve. I will happily be proven wrong. Jones does seem to be a bit of a character so if he gets the players onside and has some good ideas they buy into it may work.

Maybe when we speak to him we will just be asking him if he knows anyone who would be a decent Premier League manager?

The guy said he didn’t have money to spend, regardless of what their set up was that doesn’t seem to be the case. That was my point you thick gammon twat. A Stoke fans view from their forum: His disastrous tactics and his disastrous signings was the reason it went so disastrously wrong when he was here. He was backed and financed to the hilt by the board

He signed 10 players during his one summer at Stoke.

They probably will get on their high horse because even our shittest players have more experience at the top level than he has. It doesn’t mean he won’t be a success but it just makes his job harder. Howe took Bournemouth up so earned his position in the Prem and Potter had success in Europe so both could speak with some amount of authority. Hopefully he is a talented manager and he will be a success but it is a massive gamble, smacks of trying to be too clever.

Why would that be a good thing?

Wish him well if he gets the job but I don’t hold out much hope. I think with the youngsters we have, the first thing we needed was a manager with some top level experience. Jones hasn’t even played to a high level let alone managed at anywhere near where we are. Massive gamble.

Hopefully Jones will have an assistant who knows what the inside of a Premier League dressing room looks like.

I'd be happier if he had achieved anything above Championship level. Anything.

Like the decision to not bother signing a striker in the summer?

Nathan Jones would be one hell of a gamble, especially considering he couldn’t even hack it at Stoke.

This. I hope I’m proven wrong but I can’t see any manager making our forwards good enough. Che and Armstrong are Championship strikers, Walcott would struggle in the Championship and the French kid is nowhere near ready.

I expect Semmens will get the bullet as well which probably accounts for the delay in making a change. Use the break for the World Cup for a complete refresh.

Fuck me, we can’t even win a fight in our own home end.

As expected really. The sort of shit defending you expect from a bunch of kids. Missed the usual sitters. I expect Ralph will be sacked this week but I can’t see this lot staying up regardless of who’s manager unless we get a couple of decent strikers in the window.

There are legal routes but it is harder for people coming from other countries like Afghanistan, that’s why they resort to taking the risks they do. Like those who come from Ukraine, they probably have good reasons why they didn’t want to stop in France (language, relatives, friends etc). Dr Peter William Walsh, Senior Researcher at the Migration Observatory at the University of Oxford, said: “The data show the vastly different experiences that refugees from different countries have reaching the UK. Most Afghan refugees cannot access the UK resettlement schemes, and there is no way to apply to them. That explains why a substantial number of Afghans are coming through the asylum system despite the prospect of long waiting times and recent policies designed to deter asylum seekers. By contrast, where there have been legal routes to seek protection in the UK as in the Ukraine and Hong Kong cases, people have been keen to take them up.”

There are other factors of course, which is why we need the Conservatives fucking things up with their mini-budgets, like a whole in the head. If the Tories decisions made no difference why is Truss out of no 10 and Sunak banging on about mistakes?

Albania is not at war so those are economic migrants so should be sent home (unless they are fleeing persecution for some other reason). The Homes for Ukraine scheme means Ukrainians come here, through other safe countries, by other means. I thought it was quite obvious but if you need anything else explaining I will be here later. HTH

How come rates jumped up after this then?

Unless they are Ukrainian.

Blimey, you really are as thick as mince. I have never commented on who is legal or illegal, just saying that refugees don't stop being refugees just because they didn't stay in the first safe place - as you say so yourself, the Ukrainians didn't stop in their first safe country which was probably Poland. There are legal routes but it's easier for people coming from some countries than others. Not all countries have the same scheme as Ukrainians.

"tends to be the remit" - in other words not all refugees stop at the first safe place - the Ukrainian refugees currently here being one example.

Just pointing out the fact that refugees who don't stop at the first safe place are not by default economic migrants. I thought it was quite an easy point to understand. Clearly not for everyone.

Wether they come by little boat, big boat or train doesn't change the fact that they didn't stop at the first safe destination, which according to you means they are economic migrants. Do keep up.