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I'm just not sure you would ever get to the bottom of it all. It seems an absolute bugugers muddle with eveyone having their own view of what was going on. Plus I'd prefer a few more years behind us before a *****fest and slanging match got any bigger than a few threads on here.

I'm well over Lowe (I even think I praised him in a post above!!!). That said, when some juicy stuff like this is released it's pretty hard to ignore what a fecking shambles we must have been with Lowe being right in the eye of the storm.

To be fair to Clifford he only rocked up after we were relegated. That said, the spectre of Woodward was hanging over us all of that dreadful relegation season. However, our best chance of bouncing straight back up (or repromotion as Lowe called it) was a total disaster and the latest revelations on top of the earlier Redknapp stuff is verging on the criminal!

And where Huw Jennings works as well. Barking (and I don't mean that place out East London way).

Never really rated him, but others obviously did for him to be kept on the books and also brought in as a loanee by others. More than happy to accept Adkins' judgement on him.

I thought he had two assistants in Phil Boersma and Terry Cooper, which is also what ITN says (think Boersma may have been the senior asst though). Chatterley, Rofe and Graydon made way for them.

I'm not sure about that!! Most clubs realise there is a benefit in a youth system and we have had one for years and Cortese is wisely looking to push ours on to another level. But he is certainly not going down the route of employing "nutters" as coaches to undermine the existing boss/players, nor is he looking to bring in someone from outside of the game to manage the first team, paying them handsomely in the process.

There's little between showing poor judgement for being conned or poor judgement for instigating this farce. Either way it clearly exposes Lowe's final years as a complete shambles. Undermining players, undermining coaches and the manager, pulling in a big wedge, **** me, it's even worse than I thought it was at the time. I had some time for Lowe in the early days of his tenure, but like others before and after him, football eventually accentuated the worst in him.

It's not a massive revelation at all!!!! Go back to those dark days and there were many telling those who wanted to hear that the was the masterplan!!! So glad those mental days are in the past!!!

You probably have a point, but to be honest I was merely trying to summarise that of course people need a level of wage to provide the basics - security, housing, food, clothing etc - but after that individuals ways and needs to fulfill their own happiness, self esteem, drive, fulfilling your potential, desire etc can take a myriad of forms, with many not involving a desire for money or material wealth.

Indeed. When you see threads and posts like that (the bitterness and angst is quality), then I think it is safe to assume that we are once again in the ascendancy and the 6 year blip in my lifetime has been corrected. Some of the stuff on that thread is as small time as trying to justify the S.C.U.M. acronym.

Have a look at the good ole "Maslow's Hierachy of Needs". Once you get past the Physilogical & Safety levels, then Love, Self Esteem and Self Actualisation can take many forms (not just material or monetary wealth).

I've done one of the Maths versions of this. My degree was Business, Accountancy & Economics etc and University of Southampton weren't very forthcoming about allowing me to do a GTP in Maths with it (or PGCE - not that I wanted to go that way). Can sort of understand their "snobbishness", but think they're also limiting the pool of talent out there with this attitude. So after a bit of research I enrolled on the Mathematics Enhancement Course at Chichester University - (it was a pilot at that time, but rolled out nationally since). 6 months full time starting Jan each year. Completed that and then did a GTP in Maths. Not sure of the exact Physics equivalent.

In 1979 I had: "Lawrie's Lumberjacks Will Cut Down Clough's Forest" Sadly, we didn't!!!!! (bloody Gary Birtles)

Someone I know (who still works in the docks so I'll spare him his name) lifted a huge American flag from a boat. The Stars were promptly cut off leaving a nice red and white section that we added "Southampton FC, Pride of the South" in time for the 84 Qtr final at Hillsborough. Don't remember what happened to it after that game.

I can remember another one that Friday night and it just said "Hello Pompey" above a huge one fingered salute.

Wade, a serious question and not being flippant here - Have you ever experienced prison first hand in any capacity? I have (as a volunteer working with prisoners at HMP Winchester & HMP Kingston) and the experience for the overwhelming majority is a world away from the Daily Mail version of plasma screens, mobiles, playing pool and chilling out. It is a somewhat sad, depressing, mind numbing and spartan existence (some might say that's how it should be, but that's a different argument). And with it costing £40,000+ a year just to house prisoners (that's even before we count the cost of the crimes themselves) I think mickn's thoughts on prevention, re-education and rehabilitation are a route that I would prefer to follow.

I do like that observation!!!! Very interesting and your addition has some merits to it as well. Connoly might be the only one who you could say was on the other side (even then he's perked up recently) and maybe Kelvin, but on the whole we have a hungry bunch of players all trying to prove themselves which has to be better than those just hanging around to pick up the pay packet.

On the gate price last night at Portsmuff was £27 (Reading friend had to buy his on the night). An equivalent for us would also be £29 if bought on the day. Take out those 1,500 Reading fans out and the attendance was appalling!!!!!! I couldn't believe the Brighton attendance (even with those Brighton fans in the home end), but last night was awful.

After hearing we were 3 up, I later switched the phone on during a quiet point of the wedding reception I was at (down at The Saints!!!), I had a look on twitter and had resigned myself to accepting a 3-3 draw. Oh me of little faith. A few Kronenbourgs have since been downed!!!!

Met a couple of Seagull fans in holibobs and asked them the same question. My suggestion that normal service has been resumed and that their only season above us (I hope I was right on that claim!!!!) is but a distant memory!!!!!!!! (they still had a bee in their bonnets about some of Adkins comments last season though!!!!).

Not everyone

Howdy Daren. Was a serious question in that at this time of the season the number of season tickets sold sometimes takes on a life of its own in the minds of supporters (even I get a tad emotional/impressed when I hear we're near to selling out, or taking 3,000 away!!!!!). Called the Leeds game right a couple of weeks back in that I thought the attendance would be 25,000+ (and not the 22,000 people were worrying about), and just wondered how many season tickets we had sold. Was concerned we'd only sell about as many as last year (given price rises, changes to age groups and general selling strategy), but am worried it might not even be that. For me season tickets underpin attendances and always like to see SMS as full as possible. The Leeds attendance was decent, just hope season ticket sales aren't that bad and that performances on the pitch tempt others to come and pay on the day.

Indeed it is. Norwich use it to refer to Ipswich, Luton call Watford it, Grimsby call Hull it etc etc etc. It's not unique to us and their attempts at making it look as though they have a monopoly on this standard and unoriginal slur are as risible as their justification of the SCUM acronym.

Have we played any differently in these first two games (as opposed to how we finished last season)???? Been out of the loop for a couple of weeks, but impressed by the results we have picked up so far. Quite a few supporters of other teams I met on holibobs were tipping us as dark horses and the first two results can give us some confidence. Long hard season, but as we're notoriously bad starters I'll happily take 6 out of 6.