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He seems a really likeable chap and part of me feels sorry for him for the shit show that he inherited. That being said, Chelsea and Utd away aside, the peformances managed to get worse under Selles than they were under Jones, which was some achievement. Just so negative and at times it looked like we had no clue what we were doing. Just too much of an ask for his first proper job. Will probably land himself a job somewhere in Europe, maybe Portugal or La Liga 2 and I hope he does. Will certainly follow his next steps with interest

Would be a bit odd for a striker who has over 120 appearances in the best league in the world to think he's not good enough. He's been good for us - at times very good, but that has to be balanced with his wastefulness in front of goal. If he stays, he could certainly be an asset for us next season.

Just realised hes only 37 😱 wonder if he fancies getting his boots on next season. Couldnt do much worse than our current CB options

He'll likely get a move to somewhere in Europe. Not that he would drop to the championship but we don't need another Lyanco-like nutjob who is a candidate for multiple red cards a season

Well the players loved Selles which got us absolutely nowhere also. As long he doesnt come across as a cunt, I couldnt care less what they think of Martin. The players will be googling and looking at his wikipedia to find out what hes actually done as a manager, and then will come to the conclusion that hes achieved less than Jones unfortunately. However, the proof is in the pudding and players will warm to the manager if its an enjoyable playing style, which most importantly gets the results on the pitch

Hopefully with nothing to play for, Liverpool field the kids and that will rule out the possibility of a 9-0 to finish the season (although not entirely). Would go with.... Bazunu Tino Bednarek DCC KWP JWP Lavia Sulemana Alcaraz Doyle Mara Ballard to get at least a half of football as well Hopefully the ground is empty by 6pm so they dont feel the need to do a 'lap of honour'

Most of that lot also played in wins against City, Chelsea (twice) and draws home and away against Arsenal, United away, Spurs home etc. It has been a horrific season and the performances in those games you've highlighted were a disgrace. But also lets not forget they played most of the season under the stellar management of Nathan Jones and Ruben Selles. There are regular internationals and players who have done very well in the Championship before in that list. We need a manager who can restore confidence and a build a better playing style quickly. Not convinced Russell Martin is that guy, but time will tell.

Fulham came straight back after appointing Silva and they were every bit as bad as us in their relegation season (28 points). Sheff Utd lost to eventual playoff winners Forest on pens last season, so not all bad. Playoffs is the absolute minimum next season regardless of the level of change we face. It has been done given the significant financial advantage that relegated PL clubs have. I dont accept that we dont have much 'championship class' in the team. We dont know who will leave/stay but even if we lose JWP, Lavia, KWP, ABK and Salisu, we'll still have the likes of DCC, Bednarek, Bree, Perraud, Tella, Smallbone, Aribo, Stu, Alcaraz, Che and Mara who are easily top half Championship players. We've been shite this year but theres still some good players in our squad. Just need a decent manager to get them playing

We're not the first club to go down after a horrendous PL season and fan optimism be at an all time low. However the likes of Sheff Utd, Burnley and Fulham have proven in recent years that an immediate bounce back is possible if you get the big decisions right (manager and player recruitment). Need to get that winning mentality back. We will likely have a significant pot of cash to work with given the big sales, the parachute payment for year 1 and the fact that SR have confirmed that they're committed to funding a return to the PL. We will remain an attractive option for signing players compared to most of our championship rivals. We'll also be able to hang onto some players who will be PL quality. If we were to finish mid-table it would be another failure under SR, regardless of how big a hole we're currently in. Simply put, Martin needs to be the right decision and our player recruitment needs to be better than it has been. Time will tell.

It seems as though we approached Enzo Maresca (City shock horror) and he turned us down

No. His transfer fee all in is something like 40m. We were never forking out that sort of money

"Passing it around in a slow manner when we're 2-1 down" Sounds like his tactics will fit in well here 🫣

Possibly, but hes made a point of confirming that theres interest in him. If he was in the dark over our interest in Martin and still thought he had a chance of the job here, he wouldnt be saying this. He could have shut that question down from the outset. To me its clear that both parties are exploring their options, but likely out of courtesy nothing will be confirmed until the season ends

Hes clearly on the look out for his next job which would suggest we have already explained the situation clearly

Its entirely possible that the conversation has already been had with Selles than we aren't renewing him at the end of the season. Nobody has been appointed either and that the formalities of that may not happen until the season ends. Selles can hardly have any complaints that the club is in discussions with other managers. He was put in charge until the end of the season and results/performances have been diabolical. Hopefully we do this on the playing side too for a change. Identify targets early and bring them in before moving on those surplus to requirements or those being sold for sizeable fees

The appointment may be metrics driven, but a possession based style of play got Burnley out of this league with ease. Its seems the club have looked at that template and I would also say that Wilcox, with what hes overseen at City's academy, has had an influence in this decision. A high pressing style of play will run out of steam across the 46 game season, as Bielsa found out in his first season at Leeds. We need something different and I can definitely get behind Russell

Like Kompany last season 👍🏻

"with the injuries to Perraud, Larios and Diallo being dogshit" If I had've put 'and' after the comma you might have had a case. Plus Larios is currently injured as I said Good effort though. Determined to be the forum pedant now MLG is gone 👍🏻

I didn't say he was dogshit, I said Diallo was

How do you work that out - Walcott and Moi are both out of contract and I'd be flabbergasted if AMN signed after his loan. I appreciate that JWP, Lavia and KWP are unlikely to be here, but we dont have any other options in those positions with the injuries to Perraud, Larios and Diallo being dogshit. The rest of the lineup is a nod to next season

It has to be a big name manager Like Schumacher .....I'll get my coat

Looking to next season.... Bazunu Bree Bednarek DCC KWP Lavia JWP Sulemana Alcaraz Stu Mara Selles has likely been told hes being binned off so hes unlikely to pick a team like this. We will still see Walcott, Moi and AMN ffs!!

The playbook which helped the u23s win their league and the u18s reach the youth cup semis where they were beaten by the eventual winners. The first team have been dreadful, but thats almost certainly due to the quick turnover of managers/ideas, and not necessarily the playbook

He obviously taught Mark Robins more

For the 100th time to a poster on here, what does it matter what they achieved as a player? Lampard and Gerrard may have got that initial respect, but once the players seen their coaching abilities, that respect would have evaporated very quickly. What they've achieved as a manager on the other hand.....