Farmer Saint

The mainstream media are generally fuckwits controlled by people trying to create divide in the country. You have consistently argued that, so I would suggest NOT using their definitions. And no, I'm not clicking on stuff he's said as that just helps his profile.

I'm not sure I get your point? Is it that commentators are using far right and far left to describe people that aren't to create further divide, because I think that is correct, and is the point that is being made by Kraken.

I never read anything from him as not interested in individuals like that.

Those traits traditionally occur across the spectrum, it's only recently that there has been a mainstream party (Reform) that has consolidated those peoples views. That's not far right though, it's just right.

Difficult, but from a. Comedy POV if have to go with the US Office. First series of True Detective was very good, Better Call Saul was excellent, really enjoyed Narcos. Blue Lights is a very good TV programme at the moment as well, worth a watch.

Yes, they are on the right, not the far right.

Antifa, maybe, the rest, no. These aren't anarchists, they are groups that have specific issues that they think need to be addressed, like denouncing racism, killing in Palestine and the killing of the planet. Radical left are anarchists or old school Marxists or Communist groups.

Exactly this.

Considering I still have assets out there I think I may need to do a bit of a purge...

That's what happens when it is encouraged.

I was being slightly facetious here TBF - I'm sure there are many old school racists who are so partisan they will never move, but the vast majority will follow whichever party is the one to "Get 'em deported".

Not all Reform voters are racist, but all racists vote Reform.

Somehow? Our defence has been shit since 2018.

Christ, you trying to outSOG SOG?

How shit a manager was Still BTW?

No, you've proven it's too complicated.

Of course we don't think the unemployed should milk the system - we've all said that benefits need massive reform. The issue is this is not the hill to die on, and unfortunately your ideas are too simplistic, as shown above. Just letting people fall though the gaps is utterly unacceptable on the back of the fact that people game the system.

So as far as you are concerned, a family unit should contain two full time working parents at all times? Are you aware of the ridiculous cost of childcare? Easily will clear out more than one of those salaries. Why wouldn't the above benefit from the removal of the cap btw? This is just one scenario - there are a thousand of these different scenarios. Who is going to administer all these different nuances? It's going to take a huge amount of people, doing a huge amount of interviews, to administer these rules, as all these stats just aren't available. I think I have very much proven my point here.

So do both working parents need to be in full employment? Or is part time work enough? Someone loses their job as the main bill payer whilst the other half stays at home to look after the kids. They need a £70k job to keep their lives ticking over. They have some savings, but it's very hard to find that £70k job as the job market has been shit for years, so they struggle to find that role. After a year of looking and burning through savings, and applying for jobs that 600 people are applying for, they can't find one, and then you cut off their help. Is that fair?

We'll ignore the implementation and operational costs at maintaining these rules for the time-being.

The more rules you have, the easier it is to game and the implementation is far more difficult (hence the move to Universal credit), but anyway, I'm asking you to do it. Just have a go.

Come up with the rules then? It can't be hard as you're asking why your idea hasn't been implemented. This is why your ideas get dismissed as too simplistic.

Just unemployed, or disabled as well? How many years unemployed? Is that both parents, or is one allowed to be unemployed? What happens if they had the kids when they were in long term employment, but have come onto hard times and are unable to get another job?

That's what they've done. It's £80k.

That's what this is? How do you police that - how do you find "working families in poverty" (ignoring the fact that working families should never be in poverty)?