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It's the system, not the Manager.

No, we know Downes is a top, top Championship player when he plays for Russell Martin.

I'm not saying he'll never be good, but he's not a Prem level defender yet, and he's playing in the Prem alongside another Championship level defender. That is the issue.

Downes is a good kid. Not Prem quality though, and doesn't work well in anything but a Russell system (as you can see through his career).

First yard is in your head, and he doesn't have that either.

Nope, said this last year we needed to be wary of the fact that he played really well in the Championship for Kompany, and Kompany decided not to purchase him for the Prem (and if anyone knows a Prem quality CB it would probably be him). There had to be a reason for that as it wasn't money based.

Not many of us thought that at the time. I think we were vastly over-estimating the ability of our players.

Updated win percentages for our last 5 managers then...have to bear in mind we had a much better squad in 2022/2023. Juric 14.3% win percentage 0.43 PPG 1.00 goals pg 2.57 goals against pg Martin 6% win percentage 0.31 PPG 0.69 goals pg 2.25 goals against pg Selles 12% win percentage 0.63 PPG 1.13 goals pg 2.06 goals against pg Jones 12% win percentage 0.38 PPG 0.75 goals pg 2.00 goals against pg Hassenhuttl 21% win percentage 0.86 PPG 0.86 goals pg 1.71 goals against pg

Because a lot of our fans on here are fucking clueless, I think that's why.

26 will do it this season imo

Ahem...

As I think you, and a few of us said, RVN had no right to have a PL management job after PSV.

It's not a lack of coaching, it's a lack of ability

Shit defenders doing shit defending. Who could have guessed (considering we've had years of it under multiple different managers)?

But he was bought with RM in mind, and not Juric. If Juric doesn't want him now, he's not going to want him next season, so may as well get our money back.

Juric clearly doesn't like him though, so irrelevant if he'd be good for the team or not if the manager for next season doesn't want him. Doesn't stop us purchasing high upside and good Championship players as the tactic seems to be.

Edit.

Juric clearly doesn't like him.

I've been saying it since the Summer - our tactic is to become a yo-yo club and make money from high upside youngsters, with the hope that one year we will fluke our way to stay up with minimal investment. For teams that get promoted now with PSR it really is the only tactic unless you have a very good spine of players on promotion.

Epic bantz lads.

When I looked it up online it sounds like it was a common issue, and a fault with the design that they try to fob off on people. This was 2012 though so quite a while ago!

We had a Miele fail within 6 months and when sent back we were charged £210 as they deemed our filters to be too dirty (we had replaced them 2 weeks earlier to ensure that wasn't the issue). Not used them since.

Prutts is a lovely lad as well.

Absolutely - it was more to show how he did on a more even playing field and the utter shit players we've had for thee past 3 years.