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He usually gets there for about 7.30 after the 3pm games. At that point i'm usually on the floor at the Albion or back in Kings Worthy..... It's the classy thing to do.

The welfare state is the prime and most relevant example. Something implemented in good faith that is being abused to the detriment of those it was put into place for. It can be played as a way of life, draining the nation's resources and souring perception of it as a concept.

Because it stops the negative parts of the human condition from effecting the collective whole as much as socialism. Agree with the point on free market capitalism too, but capitalism and conservatism are not the same.

Located in 'Novi Sad' a mere 50m drive from Nikola Tesla Airport, Belgrade. Easy!!

Kukesi would be fun! Middle of nowhere Albania.

You are missing my point. I'm not advocating selfishness, I'm saying that when push comes to shove that's how people behave. Beyond logic, beyond morals that simply 'is.' It's similar to the 'flight or fight' response, when it comes to it, people will react in a certain way. I'm not saying it's right, i'm not saying it's best. It just is. And to work as though that isn't the case because it is undesirable is the worst thing of all. The focus should be on developing a system that circumvents selfishness and rewards effort. (Not that i'm saying that's what we have now, but better to work with what is available then impose an over reaching yet sadly impractical moral view upon people who are in an already pressured environment.)

He needed an operation. But oh mate, the possibilities.

F**k 'em.

Fair play to you. I respect those that stand by their beliefs even if they do not tie in with my own. The best conversations happen over a few beers when things get controversial! haha.

What is your job out of interest? NHS wasn't it? And if you truly believe that selling off the reserves that underpinned our economy for decades are is less important then the institution they helped pay for then you are truly a complete fool. Backing up the Government you voted for that f**ked our self sustainability forever. Idiocy.

Who would you vote for now Hockey_saint? Out of interest, and why?

Touché my friend, higher ground and all that. Miné's an elevated Becks Vier while you are up there.

Naturally. That was a crime. As a discussion went today, had Gordon Brown been a company director he would have been imprisoned for fraud for selling off the nation's gold reserves at his own best interest rather then the nation's when they were at their lowest value. Just throwing it out there.

No, but human nature does suck. There is also a significant difference between sociopathy and self preservation. They are not mutually exclusive.

Say the f**k what!? haha

After fifteen years of labour we ended up with a subculture of society reliant on benefits. It works all ways chap. Provide a safety net and there are those that will abuse it too. I do not want people to be selfish, I want them to be responsible, for their own actions and behavior in the context of a greater whole. Be conservative.

People also act like conservatism is a bad word. All our conversations have shown is that there is no right answer.... just a preferred way.

Nice dodge. It's not a question of being heartless, it's a question of core human nature. In a position of live or die, people will subconsciously choose to live. There is no real choice, people of sound mind will automatically and instinctively act to survive and save themselves. This is a subtext to all aspects of life. Humanity is a fundamentally selfish thing. There will always be those that prioritise themselves over others. So, what to do? Work with it or look to change genetic pre-sets? We are animals, albeit animals with a sense of sentience. Socialism is diametrically opposed to our own nature.... It asks all people to think of the greater good. Selfishness is a preset, it's incompatible. Regardless of emotion, of morality; It's there. A core facet of human history is man's inhumanity to man, just because it is undesirable it doesn't mean it's untrue. Humanity is just awful.

Is it wrong? I admire idealism, but it's naive to try and deny something's nature. Socialism to me has always seemed like the girl trying to change the bloke who is almost right for her, she's still sure it's the right thing to do...... but he is still a c**t.

Lovely guy. Always worth catching at the Wykeham Arms in Winchester after a game.

No, they are not required. A complete bypass of human nature is however a pre-requisite. If impossible, refer back to plan B.... Money tree.

Taking that on face value, certainly sounds as though he regretted leaving. I remember seeing his celebration when scoring for Stoke v The Skates at the Brittania and it clearly meant to more to him then a simple late equaliser.

Personally, if you pay up front that amount of money the fringe benefit of getting a certain priority on other tickets makes sense to me. But equally, if you take just them buying a seat, their seat as the only stipulation then your view also has merit. There doesn't seem to be a right answer.

Seriously? Hadn't heard that before. I would echo Hassan Kachloul and Rickie. Even if I can understand Rickie's desire to play for his home club. David Prutton seemed to go into full journeyman mode after departing us too.

In fairness, the first game of the season at home rarely sells out. Holidays, etc.