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Historically accurate, but specious. I'm talking about the most recent round of troubles which started in the 1960s, obviously. You might as well argue that because we can't change history we can't change the future. The 20th century saw progress in the rest of the UK - remember votes for women? racial equality? gay rights? 1960s NI was like a throwback to the 19th century with the right to vote tied to property ownership, discrimination in housing and employment. Those were causes of the problems not the ****ing Plantation of Ulster in 1606. Otherwise you can go back as far as you want always finding someone prior to blame. Maybe we should blame the Dál Riata in the 6th century, unless you know of something previous to that? Failure by the British government to act to modernise NI brought about the civil rights movement and the further failure of the British Government to protect Catholics from the Loyalist backlash caused a stampede of recruits to the IRA, which till that point had been a marginal force.

You do know the killings were started by the 'loyalist' UVF? The house burnings and 'cleansing' of areas was started by the loyalists, whilst the protestant police force stood by or did little. If you were a property owner you could vote up to six times. If you rented you didnt get a vote. The IRA grew up as a defence force force for Catholics because the Ulster government offered no protection. If the British government had stepped in with direct rule much sooner the troubles would never have happened.

It's true about the the lack of justice, but not just on the "other side". It was the necessary price for stopping the violence - hard to swallow but it worked. Almost no British soldiers have been prosecuted for shootings related to the troubles, and probably rightly so. 28 people were killed or injured by soldiers on Bloody Sunday. Only soldier F is being prosecuted. Why? because his actions were so extreme and so unjustifiable that there is no possible defence of feeling his life was threatened or he mistook a hankie for a gun. Bloody Sunday was a seminal moment in the history of the troubles. It spelled the end of peaceful protest - why would you march and get shot? - and gave an massive impetus to the IRA which until then had been marginal and unpopular. Soldier F killed more than two people on the day. His actions led indirectly to countless other deaths.

Absolving him despite compelling evidence, including soldier F's own testimony are you? Lord Saville, Justice of the Supreme Court stated there was "no doubt" Soldier F had shot father-of-six Paddy Doherty, who was unarmed. Saville also found there was "no doubt" Soldier F had shot an unarmed Bernard McGuigan on Bloody Sunday as he went to the aid of Patrick Doherty, waving a white handkerchief. At the Saville Inquiry, Soldier F admitted he had shot 17-year-old Michael Kelly - but he said that he had only fired at people with bombs or weapons. However, Saville concluded Mr Kelly was unarmed. The inquiry report also stated Soldier F had changed his story over the years. Thats good enough for me to believe he's guilty.

He shot six unarmed people, killing two. It wasn't a mistake, it was deliberate.

You and JJ are hilarious. Utterly unable to distinguish between your wet dream fantasies and reality. UKIP were on about 17% public support in 2014, now they're on 5% - despite the Tories desperate thrashing around. UKIP are a busted flush who will never get near power - which is why the ERG persist in trying to hijack the Tories instead of moving wholesale to UKIP.

Thats my point really. The transition period keeps us in the customs union and single market until December 2020. A lot can happen between then and now to make the transitional arrangements permanent.

May's deal is awful, but the transition period keeps things as they currently are until December 2020. Even if her 'deal' were to pass May will be gone by the summer and a new PM would want to renegotiate what happens after 2020. It wouldnrt be the end of the world if it did go through at third time of asking.

And there was me thinking the EU was a totalitarian regime which forced its members to do its bidding

I think they'd grant an extension for a proposal which has parliamentary support and a referendum at the end of it.

This is the only deal because its the only deal May has been interested in. The EU would agree to many others, including a customs union.

There is probably a majority for Norway + but it would take time to negotiate. If for any reason an extension wasn't possible and it came down to were a choice between No deal or remain Parliament would vote remain imo

Great. A vote for the Untouchables; the Unmentionables or the Unelectables. Choices choices.

Could well be just coincidence if reports of smoke coming from the rear of the Ethiopian plane before it crashed are accurate. Who knows though.

I had something like that!! Cried off because momma couldnt make it or something!

Thats the whole point. We are in contact, so I'm a contact of yours. Contacts can be anything and mean nothing. Something read by a contact of a contact means even less

To sum up. Petley hasn't seen a transcript. A contact of Petley says he has seen a transcript. That supposed transcript was supposedly shown to him by a contact of his. Wes. Im a contact of yours. I think you're gullible. My contact has provided me with a transcript of a conversation Boris had with unicorn.

Have you researched John Petley, the supposed source of the 'leak'? He works as a finance administrator in a minor economics consultancy, fourth in the pecking order out of a team of seven Degree in music and a diploma in Applied Theology from Moorlands Bible College! Obviously well connected at the very top of the EU https://www.mv-pt.org/our-people

I glad he does. Every time he does Brexit looks more ridiculous.

Hahaha. What it proves is that your supposed point about industrial production declining because of the end of QE in the eurozone is nonsense.

Dingbat

Bangladesh's fault dontchaknow

Recent form is hilarious. Wrong end of the table based on last 6, 8, 10 and 12 games. Thats a pretty consistent run. https://www.soccerstats.com/formtable.asp?league=england3

I don't know either - but I'd strongly suspect the vast majority were naturalised - they gained citizenship as a privilege, not as a right.

"Former World Trade Organisation boss Pascal Lamy slams 'nonsense' plans for no deal trade. He dismissed claims from Brexiteers suggesting the UK would enjoy better trade regulations with international partners without a Brexit divorce deal with the European Union. The former World Trade Organisation (WTO) chief insisted the British Government should strike an arrangement securing continuity past March 29 because of the deep connection British and European business have built over the past 40 years. Speaking to Euronews, Mr Lamy said: "I know there’s a view on the Brexit side that they become independent, they regain control. "In a world which is globalising, integrating, I think it makes absolutely no sense. "What would be the sense of having a regulation for 60 million people when the world is moving to zones who have regulations for 500 million or 600 million people?" A no deal scenario in March 2019 would effectively annul all trade deals the UK has benefited from as a member of the EU unless rolled back into British legislation. Britain would then have to revert to WTO rules and apply a set list of tariffs - a tax on imports of goods – and quotas – limits on the number of goods - on other countries seeking to do business with the UK." Fancy that.