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To me, the "proportionality" is not the key consideration here. The important thing is to make it absolutely clear to people what the punishment/deterent is upfront. People can then decide whether they want to commit the crime in the first place. If people are "inciting riots" whilst ignorant of the penal consequences then the governement should start a national advertising campaign to raise awareness. How many people would have "incited riots" if they knew, in no uncertain terms, that the punishment was having their penis chopped off? People need to have an element of fear in doing wrong. I think we've gradually lost that fear factor over the last 50 years.

Would this single mum have stolen the shorts if she knew (in no uncertain terms) there was a likelihood of being locked up for 3 years? I think we agree that the deterent/punishment needs to be made clear up front. Maybe we disagree on how 'harsh' that deterent should be (of course, the less harsh it is the less of a deterent it becomes)

Fair point. I agree, the "deterent" should be known at the time that someone decides to commit the crime rather than the goalposts moved before they are tried and sentenced. For example, if the "deterent" for breaking a 30 MPH speed limit by 5 MPH is 3 points and £60,I'd feel somewhat aggrieved if someone changed the "deterent" to instant castration after I'd been stopped for doing 32 MPH. However, if I knew the "deterent" was instant castration before getting behind the wheel, I'd make damn sure my speed was nearer 20 MPH than 30 MPH at all times! All crime should have a hefty "deterent" IMHO (Cue the "what if you're wrongly convicted?" counter-argument....) :-)

How much income tax do you want to pay to have to process them every 6 months when they get let out early and re-offend? £20 a week?

Being the first to be subbed when the game is safe could/should be seen as a compliment. It means the manager sees you as a key player and thus wants to protect you from injury, burn out, etc. See, this sports psychology malarkey is a piece of cake!

What would you say is the right level of punishment? (I prefer to use the word 'deterrent' rather than 'punishment')

The latter

I think that tells us all we need to know about Chelsea's youth coaching system...

Tough.

I must admit, I've been having "getting ahead of myself" thoughts this morning about how many of this team would be able to hold their own in the premier league. With the self-belief that Adkins is drilling into this side and the bonds that are developing in the squad, the answer is probably a pleasant surprise.

Ok....hands up...who else has woken up with a huge fixed grin on their face this morning....? *pinches self*

Maybe they meant "best player on paper" rather than making an assessment of his performance on the night? Still dubious either way.... :-)

No.

No, not really. I remember a fair few of us were posting last season that we could well find life in the championship easier than League One because our "pretty football" approach to the game wasn't suited to League One. Early days I know, but it's no surprise to me that we appear to be thriving in this league.

I switched off at that point. Pacing around for 20 minutes until the 4-2 tweet came through on my phone (which I assume would be notification of Ipswich's equalizer).

Hearing that the players were unhappy with their performance at Barnsley and gutted to concede 2 goals in a 5-2 victory says it all for me. Great attitude from top to bottom.

This has been suggested for months, nay years, now and it's never been tried (as far as I'm aware) and no-one has ever explain WHY this can't be tried. White flag time I'm afraid. The sticking plaster "solutions" over the years are just that. Time to ditch the "dedicated" server solution and channel our money into a 'cloud' based solution. Simple. As. That

I may be some time.... ....talk amongst yourselves

**** me! Clean pants please! Wow, just wow....

This

Just logged in. Did I miss anything?

This has got 0-0 written all over it.

Challenging MLG's ascertains? Playing with fire IMHO. Good luck with that one..... ;-)

Cheers. Yep, most of the bad reviews of these remote streaming solutions seem to point the finger at video lag so, as you say, maybe it'll be find for the flash audio feed from Saints Player...

Has anyone tried this iPhone app? http://itunes.apple.com/gb/app/photon-flash-web-browser-full/id453546382?mt=8 Seems to get mixed reviews. It claims to stream any Flash Player content from servers in the US. They say "It works best over WIFI compared to 3G" which, again, goes part way to defeating the object of listening/watching on the move.