Golac's Cunning Stunts

In the same way that monkeys will never be able to produce intelligible writing, DNA cannot be produced by unintelligent evolution. This is precisely my point. DNA is a code requiring intelligent design. The monkey argument was quality I thought.

No I have no answer to infinite loops just like you don't. But I do try to examine all areas of possibility and not dismiss them out of hand. What are you going on about "bronze age scripture"? Don't understand. Do me a favour - suspend your long held beliefs and actually do some reading up on the other point of view. Don't just dismiss it out of hand because your small mind is unable to comprehend it (and I don't mean that in a disparaging way either). Start with the DNA one - I am not sure you even understand the argument.

You have not considered the DNA argument for an intelligent design merit at all. You just keep blagging on about infinite loops You have also not given the real ghosts on Youtube videos full merit. There is a difference between organised religion, such as Catholicism, and keeping an open mind about whether or not there might be an intelligence higher than our own out there. In a way, you are no better than the religious guys, just at the other end of the spectrum. I bet you cream over Richard Dawkins books don't you?

Yes this is my point. You didn't even bother to read the link I posted earlier from which this was lifted. Also, just because your mind can't comprehend infinite regression, doesn't make your arguments any more worthy.

So do you believe those ghosts in the Youtube video are real or not :-)

Proof that DNA was designed by a mind: (1) DNA is not merely a molecule with a pattern;it is a code, a language, and an information storage mechanism. (2) All codes we know the origin of are created by a conscious mind. (3) Therefore DNA was designed by a mind, and language and information are proof of the action of a Superintelligence. We can explore five possible conclusions: 1) Humans designed DNA 2) Aliens designed DNA 3) DNA occurred randomly and spontaneously 4) There must be some undiscovered law of physics that creates information 5) DNA was Designed by a Superintelligence, i.e. God. (1) requires time travel or infinite generations of humans. (2) could well be true but only pushes the question back in time. (3) may be a remote possibility, but it’s not a scientific explanation in that it doesn’t refer to a systematic, repeatable process. It’s nothing more than an appeal to luck . (4) could be true but no one can form a testable hypothesis until someone observes a naturally occurring code. So the only systematic explanation that remains is (5) a theological one. To the extent that scientific reasoning can prove anything, DNA is proof of a designer.

Examples of symbolic codes include music, blueprints, languages like English and Chinese, computer programs, and yes, DNA. The essential distinction is the difference between a pattern and a code. Chaos can produce patterns, but it has never been shown to produce codes or symbols. Codes and symbols store information, which is not a property of matter and energy alone. Information itself is a separate entity on par with matter and energy.

No, your logic is seriously flawed here. I am saying that DNA is a code. All codes have an intelligence behind them. Some one or thing designed them. Go figure. And try doing some background reading before you just dismiss an argument because your brain can't comprehend it.

Yes I see your point, but I could tell these were fakes. I still think some of the other ones were unexplainable and therefore real ghosts.

Yes. Didn't think of that.

Here are some ghosts on youtube . MLG note the instruction to have an open mind and think outside the box

It is a code and stands up to every definition of it. It has basic building blocks which can produce certain elements. Eg, legs, teeth, claws, wings etc etc. Trying different combinations of these things results in all sorts of different creatures, some of which are suited to their habitat and thus survive, and others that aren't and they don't survive. So saying that DNA is a code created by an intelligence does not rule out evolution as such. It is just evolution based on intelligent design rather than Darwin's theory of evolution based on randomness. I realise that this is an infantile attempt to explain this, but if you're interested there are a lot better explanations out there on the web. Anyway...can we change subject and start listing links to real ghosts that have been posted on YouTube?

The argument goes something along these lines: All codes, languages, computer protocols etc have an intelligence behind them that devised the code in the first place. Codes don't just evolve from randomness.For example, experiments have been done with monkeys where they let them type randomly on keyboards to see if they produce anything legible. Of course, they don't. The chances of an ape randomly hitting keys and producing a legible sentence are practically zero. DNA’s definition as a literal code (and not a figurative one) is nearly universal in the entire body of biological literature since the 1960′s. Therefore, as with all codes, there must be an intelligent design behind it. This may or may not be "God" as we know God from the Bible, but an intelligent design none the less. Here is a link to the reasoning if you are so interested http://www.cosmicfingerprints.com/read-prove-god-exists/

I nominate this thread for the classics hall of fame. I had mlg on ignore but he gets quoted so much on here that it's not worth it. MLG - you a comedy genius. Do you really teach people? I can just imagine - MLG: Where is your homework? Kid: Sorry sir, the dog ate it MLG: hmm, this sounds highly irregular. Canines are carnivores and logic would suggest that paper, which is mad from lumber, would not be of interest to them in their dietary habits Kid: Honest Sir, you have to believe me, it's true MLG: You will have a detention in which you will write a thesis on Darwinian Evolution. And don't put any rubbish in there about God. On another note, ghosts do exist - and they are on YouTube. Just google it. Finally to MLG - if God doesn't exist, how do you explain DNA?

Referring back to the match first posted about, the Ipswich goalie that day was called Shane Supple... what a great name for a goalie :-) Unfortunately, he didn't make it (from Wiki): Retirement from soccer On 20 August 2009, Ipswich Town announced that they had agreed to cancel Shane Supple's contract at the request of the player, allowing him to pursue a career outside professional soccer.[4] He said that he had "fallen out of love with the game" and wished to pursue a different career path. His desire to play Gaelic football with the Dublin county team was a major motivating factor.

However, your post addresses a character called "MLT" which one would take to mean (in the context of this forum) Matthew Le Tissier, who once played, arguably extremely well, for Southampton. If you are still desirous to poke fun at Matthew Le God, I suggest that you rephrase your post to refer to MLG instead of MLT.

Thank You for that. I know what I said wasn't literally true, but I'm glad to see you got my general point, which was basically what a great little team it was. I come on here to get away from pedants, so he has gone on my ignore list.

I was reading a Toon forum the other day, and on the whole, they currently like Leon. As an aside, there are rumours going round today that Mr Pardew has walked

**** me, all I said is that it would do "ok". Remind me not to bother posting again as I clearly don't have the first clue about football unlike you. When I saw that team, it struck me that the transfer fees generated by some of those players must have been quite substantial.

You really are a bore.

Yes indeed FA Youth Cup Final First Leg. St Marys Stadium. 18 April 2005. http://www.footballforums.net/forums/archive/index.php/t-86048.html That team would do ok in the Prem today. Does anyone know what happened to some of the guys who didn't "make it" as such?

Can you guess the match that had this line-up: Southampton: Andrew McNeil, Craig Richards, Sean Rudd, Martin Cranie, Sebastian Wallis-Tayler, Lloyd James, Tim Sparv, Theo Walcott, Nathan Dyer, Leon Best (Feliciano Condesso, 83), David McGoldrick. Subs not used: Josh Dutton-Black, Ashlee Jones, Gareth Bale, Adam Lallana.

Mame Biram Diouf is set to be sent out on loan by manure. Looks more than capable, certainly at this level.Wonder if he will end up at Peterborough...

I was thinking about what would happen if @rse loan Chamberlain to another championship side. Does anyone know if Saints might have put a clause into the terms of sale stating that @rse cannot loan him out to a team in the same division as us? Sounds like a good idea...

Get him on the next series of Wayne Rooney Street Striker. If he does well on that and wears an "I love Nicola Cortese" T-shirt, I can't see how he would fail to get picked up. Make sure you have signed him up to a contract so that you receive your fair share of the spoils as he inevitably rises to stardom to become the next Messi.