Whitey Grandad

Wise words.

Will the break be enough to get Cedric fit?

Could be. If so, it would need to be done before the economy deteriorates, but there would need to be a motion of no confidence passed first. The people may have spoken but they didn't actually say what they wanted, only what they didn't want.

She's in a very weak position as far as getting anything through Parliament is concerned. Just wait for the first government motion to be voted down and then let's see how far hard talking takes her. Don't get me wrong, I want the best outcome for Britain but from what I've heard about her leadership style I can't see her lasting very long. She's made too many enemies.

OK, I will if I have time. I get home late afternoon on Tuesday 18th and fly out to Milan next morning. Things are looking good. First stabilise the defence and then push on from there.

I thought Paul Wotton took both.

Paul Wotton. 'nuff said.

Another clean sheet and another game that I don't have to sit through when I get home

Before the French and German elections? This woman is getting above her station.

British politics is far more subtle than that. We don't live in a dictatorship and there are layers upon layers that must be negotiated before anything can be achieved.

But it is the manner of our leaving that matters now.

I'm on an iPad so it's difficult for me to highlight certain paragraphs but I'm not clear what you're arguing in your first paragraph. All the items you list should be determined by the government, certainly not by referendums. I don't know of any manifesto that has ever been implemented in full, everybody knows that they are just aspirations. Whatever happened to the increase in the Inheritance Tax threshold? 'We' also elected a government with David Cameron as Prime Minister but that didn't last long.

...and parliament agreed to an advisory referendum.

Au contraire. There shouldn't have been any referendums because that is not our democratic way. Parliament is supreme and reflects and implements the will of the people. We didn't have a referendum when we declared war in 1939.

Their future should have been considered too. Perhaps their guardians should have had an extra vote for each child? I'm just saying that this referendum was not democratic. But it has been and gone now. My complaint was that it certainly wasn't a majority of the people in Britain.

My thoughts too, but just imagine what a great atmosphere we could have in there.

How about 16 year olds, they did in the Scottish referendum. Why not 14 year olds? They could easily be 18 by the time we actually leave the EU. I have a granddaughter who turned 18 days after the vote, when will she have the opportunity to have her say on the matter? If it had been a general election she could have her vote in a few years time. How many oldies will have died before the exit? Should anybody over 65 have had a vote? These are all reasonable questions. Our democratic system deemed that we should have an advisory referendum and it is for that system to take account of all these considerations. But I return to my original point. It was by no means a majority of the people in the country. (Incidentally my grandmother was 42 before she was allowed to vote)

I think 'no brainier' is a perfect description of Joey Barton.

Never complain about a clean sheet.

Totally disagree, especially regarding those who were under 18. In normal democracy the time would soon come when they would be able to express their preference. I repeat ad infinitum; this was not normal democracy, in fact the complete antithesis of it. If it were we'd have another vote within five years. Then another. Then another...

Any idea yet as to when our tickets will be sent out? I shan't actually be at home so getting my grubby mitts on mine will be interesting.

Read my words. I repeat: the piece I quoted said 'a majority of the people' whereas it was a 'majority of those who voted'. There was quite a difference. 'Only' 17.4 million of the 60 million voted to leave. That is nowhere near a majority. This is not how democracy works. In normal democracy there is a new vote every few years so in the longer term the people tend to get what they want.

Not "the majority of people", simply a majority of those who voted. Yet another Brexit myth.

I think so too. The tickets have the Europa League branding on them.

I'm still in shock.