Whitey Grandad

Bigger letters = bigger lie. As someone famous once said: “If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it." Or a mate of his: "...in the big lie there is always a certain force of credibility; because the broad masses of a nation are always more easily corrupted in the deeper strata of their emotional nature than consciously or voluntarily;"

Well none of that's going to happen so it wot be worth the cost, which will be significant. Anyway, if it wasn't about money why was that figure of £350m a week plastered all over the side of that bus in big letters?

No, you seem to have misunderstood my point. The share of our exports to the EU may be declining as a percentage of the overall figure but the actual amount is still increasing. This does not make exports to the EU of diminishing importance it actually makes them more important than they were before. And you still haven't defined any benefits from leaving the EU. There was a lot of empty rhetoric from the Brexiteers but that is all that it was. I am asking you personally what actual advantages you think there will be from our new situation. I have asked several leavers the same question and I have yet to receive even one example. Your economic strategy seems to exist of scrapping our existing trade deal with the largest trading bloc in the world right on our doorstep and then immediately trying to replace it with an inferior one whilst at the same time championing new deals with unspecified emerging economies in other parts of the world. Can you not see the economic lunacy in this approach?

You might be conflating percentages with amounts. Please remind me again, what are these 'other benefits?

It's not just me, is it? My quote about bad to disastrous came from an analysis of a few weeks ago. You can carry on living in your own dream world where wishful thinking conquers all but reality has bigger teeth and bites deeper.

Yes it will. Everything depends on where we end up with access to the Single Market. Britain has done very well out of the EU since this market was established and anything less than the free unfettered access that we enjoy at present will eat into that 40%. The possible outcomes range from bad to very bad to disastrous. The people that deal in these matters know this which is why they are upset about it. There is no upside to any aspect of this, no 'bright side of life', no positives. Why anyone should feel the need to gloat over our situation is beyond me.

Overall it's bad. What's more important is that changes in the FTSE should be considered in conjunction with the $ rate.

All things being equal, FTSE going up is good. £ dropping in value is bad and trumps FTSE

It does, doesn't it?

All very true. And don't forget that the Corporates want to offer their guests the chance to see their heroes from Liverpool, Arsenal, Chelsea and so on and we keep giving these teams a thrashing so it's not surprising that demand is low

Twenty years ago or so the average Premier League salary was £1.5m (Might have been 15 years, around MLT'S time anyway)

The government are not the Bwrecksiteers, or rather the Bwrecksiteers are not the government. Certainly David (flunked his A levels) Davis seems bewildered by it all.

We had a choice over who received benefits, different members have different criteria.

You can't take back what you've never lost. We have (had) a veto over anything that mattered. If anything we have now lost control of our future and are dependent on the vagaries of other nations. The Bwrecksiteers were full of such empty rhetoric and emotive soundbites but now they haven't got the slightest clue as to how we should proceed from here. Simply hoping for the best is not going to be enough. There is no room for any Polyannas in today's world.

Born in Rotterdam but he has played for Curaçao in World Cup qualifiers so I guess the answer is no.

That's quite a load of Rolex.

The transfer process is not there to provide entertainment for anybody. Apart from that the only thing that matters is the football that's played and that hasn't started yet.

Well done! Inspiration for all of us

Are you talking to yourself again? I do it all the time; it's the only way I get intelligent responses I generally respond to posts rather than randomly generating them. In the interests of balance, that sort of thing.

That will be the Autumn Statement of course. The timing won't be an emergency but the contents may well be.

That's waiting until all the immigrants have been sent back and the NHS has its extra £350m a week and we get back this control that we are supposed to have lost and we can buy bendy bananas again. (sarcasm smiley thingy) Can we please give up on all these silly remarks. We haven't left the EU yet by a long way and anybody who wants to make political capital out of petty point-scoring would do well to wait until we have a clearer view of the direction in whicjh we are heading. All that has happened so far is that there has been a vote and a wholesale change of government personnel and there have been reactions in the financial markets that mean nothing to the ordinary public. The £ is looking very sick it's looking unlikely that it will ever recover. For anything else we shall just have to wait until 6 months down the road when we shall have more accurate figures relating to economic activity. If we can avoid this slump turning into a recession then we shall be doing well.

Did you not detect the hint of sarcasm in there

Just think how high it would have been without the vote! ..and how is this now valued in Dollars?

Yeah, we were advised never to question the name that we were given even if it was Elvis Presley. Just write it down and notify the FA and let them sort it out. You certainly couldn't ask for 'Christian name' because they might not have been Christians. I was playing as captain in a game on the shoreside at Netley and the referee had advised us before the game that he wouldn't take any swearing. It wasn't that he was worried about dissent, he just didn't like bad words. With the sorts of lads that played on a Sunday morning it didn't take long before there were a few cases of 'oh f*cking hell' and the same number of red cards and when it got to 8 vs 9 I called the game off. The ref looked a bit shocked. After he had left we would have carried on with the game but too many had buggered off by that stage. There was an inquiry by the league of course. That was a bit surreal since both secretaries and the ref involved were all sitting down together having a friendly chat before being summoned before the hearing. They were a bit nonplussed because they thought it must have been a violent affair but when they found out what had happened they juts hit us with the statutory fines and we all went our friendly ways. The problem is that this sort of language was commonplace during the working week and the vocal outbursts on the field were automatic and didn't constitute dissent or abuse. Years later when I was referring I took the view that if it couldn't be heard off the pitch and was not aimed at any particular individual I would let it go.

I found out recently that a friend of my wife voted leave because she never expected that side to win. I know somebody else who just fancied a change but didn't realise what it actually meant. I truly believe that a lot of people didn't think it mattered much either way. Not everybody considers the issues as deeply as we do.