Saintandy666

So people honestly think Diane Abbot thinks she is superior to white people?

It has risen quite a lot in the last 10-15 years though. For comparison today - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-16428133

Our MPs aren't paid enough for the job they do. They should just give them all a 6 figure salary and let them get on with it. Most of the expenses scandal only happened because they were encouraged to claim almost as top up to their salary. If we cut their salaries too much, only people of rich backgrounds will be able to afford to become MPs.

I'm not offended at all, but it's a stupid thing to say. She needs to learn she is a frontbencher now and so can't talk like she is on this week all the time. I do not believe she is racist. Whether the tweet is or not all depends on her intent and the context.

It's easy to come out with the insults, but what about a substantial reply? I'm just saying I don't agree with trial by media, we have courts for trials.

I'm uncomfortable with the Daily Mails coverage of this today. It seems they are just stalking the other three suspects(they should let the police do their job, as they are quite capable of doing it, trial by media is wrong) whilst also playing up their own role in it all. And if it is minimum 15 years, but technically could be forever, they won't be out for a long time and good. They've arrogantly walked around for 18 years freely that they should have been in jail for. Stephen Lawrence never had that chance.

Never used to tweet, but slowly got sucked into it all.

I have a twitter account. I sometimes tweet.

Possibly... with different tones? Or maybe just would only show it if guilty. It's not totally about the verdict though, it seems more about her journey for justice and the murder itself and its effect on the country as a whole. This murder was largely before my time so I should watch this.

Panarama on Stephen Lawrence on BBC1 now.

The US made absolutely sure we were riddled with debts owed to them post WW2. They made absolutely sure our empire was finished. They wanted to be top dog and they got it. And why does a country need to build a physical empire these days when globalised capitalism allows you to dominate the world without the need to occupy the world. You say I'm naive. I guess you think mercantilism is still alive then?!

Oh absolutely. Our empire was from a different time. Post World War two, the days of great empires are gone. Mercantilism is dead. There's no need for a physical empire to control the world, you just need to do it financially. That's what the USA realised and how they've done so well the last century.

Oh and Marx would be turning in his grave if he saw what people call 'communist' China these days. China has embraced capitalism, while also having a strong controlling state. Marx hated capitalism and the state. If anything, Chinas current policy state is most similar to the Conservative New Right. Embrace economic freedom, but have strict social controls. But that's a GROSS oversimplification/exaggeration.

Pap, I agree with you on many points. Capitalism, in it's current form(that's where we differ, I think it can be changed) doesn't work. It isn't sustainable and goes for huge unsustainable booms because it only thinks about profit which isn't always in human beings interests, just look how nothing is being done about climate change. That is where the state has to come in to put some breaks on capitalism and some regulation so it isn't rampant. Though if a better system was proposed I'd be more than open to it, but most of those systems don't involve a state which I believe in. Also, Dune accountability doesn't necessarily mean sustainability. It just means we allow the cock up to happy again, but blame the right people. And to bring this thread full circle, how can you as an advocate of accountability support some of the Tory honours decisions?!

I've never pretended different. But I think selectively quoting doesn't help much. As I said, capitalism in a revised form with better regulation and controls to balance its thirst for short term gain with long term sustainability.

Communism has never been in place and is untested. Only those who claim to speak in its name have been in place. For what it's worth though, it's a load of rubbish if beautifully written, still rubbish. A bit like anarchism in that sense. The problem is rampant free market capitalism with no other concern bar instant profit and gain. There needs to be more regulation and som balance with long term sustainability. Capitalism is the right system or at least the best we've come up with so far, but it needs some serious editing.

I wish I understood physics.

I have to say, your posts do make me laugh and those who get high blood pressure over it should calm themselves and either respond or ignore.

Exactly, only the weirdly obsessed come on here. The majority of fans do not care about what goes on beyond the result on the pitch!

I agree, some people have serious issues when people disagree with them on here. But, this forum would be boring without the overanalysing!

It was alright, but as others have said, it isn't up to the usual standard of their roadtrip specials. I know it's all scripted, but in the past you could sort of have some suspension of disbelief that it was all actually happening, for some reason it wasn't present in this special.

You must be a fan of the Third Way then... hand up, not a hand out is at the centre of all that. Said by Bill Clinton himself.

I concur.

Hurray for casual homophobia.

That may be true, but I'm thinking of him over the last year. He's good when he can play, but he's injured a lot and doesn't often play the full 90. We need new legs.