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Listen laddie, my 14 yr old is pushing 30...eventually, seriously I don't believe anything u say frankly...why? Because of your line about " the players have shown they cared". If you had of attended a game this season who will patently see that at times certain players don't care. I think as someone who has been this season the only one who can lay claim to that is Kelvin. As for chav's, I apologise if that offended you, I didn't mean to single you out but to me one indicator of a chav is someone who feels the need to offer profanities when posting a response!!..oops sorry, for profanities read swear.

Listen laddie, my 14 yr old is pushing 30...eventually, seriously I don't believe anything u say frankly...why? Because of your line about " the players have shown they cared". If you had of attended a game this season who will patently see that at times certain players don't care. I think as someone who has been this season th only one who can lay claim to that is Kelvin. As for chav's, I apologise if that offended you, i'd didn't mean to single you out but to me one indicator of a chav is someone who feels the need to offer profanities when posting a response!!..oops sorry, for profenities read swear.

I can only go by the standard of the posts, I assume prepubescent!

I can honestly say neither me or my sons understood a word, well perhaps the words, just not the context or meaning. God knows I hope the players are able to understand what he's on about.

Listen young man, firstly when you start work one day and you have to pay adult prices you will realise that paying a proportion of your wages to watch rubbish does grate, week in week out. Like your dad I don't mind paying for my kids but I do object to supporting a team that doesn't care. As for your assertion that you are a better supporter than those who chose to go yesterday, perhaps for the first time or at least it's safe to assume for some time, what gives you the right to prejudge their respective circumstances perhaps they unlike your parents don't have sufficient income or aren't able to pay their kids pocket money to go and watch each week and this was a one off treat. The main thing is they came, might have returned and I suspect now due to that performance won't after Man U and frankly who can blame them. As for the Northam, frankly they are often an embarrassment, the same songs, leaving early almost every match (yes, every match were losing) and if you want to see the ugliest and most ignorant chavs in the western hemisphere that's the place to be FACT!

Right before anyone starts to criticise me I have been a supporter for some 30+ years so unless you have either a valid point to make or a similar record don't bother. I find the situation after today’s match brings a smile to my face. I'll tell you why - saints are fast becoming a team that I don't either recognise nor feel an association with, I hasten to add of course I wouldn't dream of supporting any one else, except that is my sons local kids teams. No, like a number of my friends, some of whom have been season ticket holders for 20+ years, saints are starting to feel like a team that don't really truly deep down care. I have supported then through thick and thin and promotion or demotion won't make a difference, it's the fact that as a business they aren't prepared to invest in the future but instead rely on working on the cheap, but yet expect me and thousands of others like me to invest our hard earned cash in the hope of a days decent entertainment and a flicker of progress. I’ve seen some really attractive pass and move during these past few months but ultimately it's all about winning and in the main we can't - simple! So whilst inside I’m truly gutted that we are as poor as we are, I can't help but cast a wry smile when I see us sink that little bit further down the table as I hope that at some point Lowe or others will either do the honourable thing and resign or feel forced to actually go for a "proper" manager and allow him to build a team. Added to this sense of masochism is the sense of exploitation in respect of the Man U game, which I won't be attending, and that fact that the club sees " us " the fans as cash cows to be drained when the chance arises. I realise that for some of us who have pride in being from Soton we may take our football club too seriously but I don't apologise for that, as we have to have something to hold onto, but sadly Saints are fast becoming just a "football team" rather than representative of the city and the area. A time will come I’m sure where Saints will be something to be proud of, whether that be in the CC or Div 1 who cares, as long as those 11 who tread the turf want to be representing the club and not looking to merely be drawing a wage or hoping that a 'bigger club' coming looking and that the management take seriously their responsibility of leading an historic and proud club which can proudly be called Southampton FC. So on my behalf and those few that I attend alongside, be warned Saints - unless you are prepared to start investing in a real manager then we will stop investing our money in you and I know which will suffer first!!

The game against Notts Forest will be the crucial game for Jan, lose in the same manner as this Saturday I think he'll be sacked, I can't see him walking, win and he'll stay a while longer.

It's called constructive dimissal, you refuse to agree his terms he has no choice but to leave "fait a complis"

I'm afraid your correct, a crass decision made purely on a short term financial basis. Iv'e said it before you need to speculate to accumulate (points that is)

I could go but at £30 a pop plus three kids, they must be joking with the quality of the current squad. If I want to watch two youth sides play i'll watch my kids school matches, more enthusiasm and skill anyway. I think it will sell out but it'll be a real one off with most never darkening SMS again and only going to see Man u rather than support Saints.

As me dear old mum just said, we are boys against men. We need players who can push back.

Poor old Kelvin, how he keeps motivated knowing what's defendng (I use the term VERY loosely) his box beats me!

I ave my calculator at the ready, looks like i'm gonna need it

What a let down. We must have had some 60 -65% of possession in the first half and yet again were unable to do anything really substantive like score with it. Some lovely passing across the field, very little movement off the ball and frankly apart from BWP making the effort down the wing we never looked like we were going to get in a position to score. Why we feel the need to pass so much I will never understand, we seem to lack ideas but ultimately it all comes down to not having an out and out striker.

Well i've seen a fair few keepers, I have a soft spot for Budgie he was very capable and EXTREMELY fit. I'd see him working out down at the old Terry Morris gym in Bedford place after having spent the morning at Saints training. Don't agree with the earlier comparison with Niemi being a 7/10 and Shilts a 10 there simply isn't that greater difference between top keepers performing at their best. But i've no doubt in nominating Shilts, not just because he was England No1 at the time but because he was widely considered to be World numero uno and proved it time and time again.

I must say that siting in the Itchen it was noticeably quieter that usual and yes I know it's never that loud! However it seemed to me there was a distinct lack of real interest from those sitting around me throughout the game. From a personal point of view I seriously thought about leaving at half time, never done it in 30+ years and I didn't do it this time cos once you start down that road..... As for the performance, it was another case of pretty yet uneffective footie. A host of nice passing only to be let down by a lazy one, enabling Watford to counter. Of course at time we resorted to the long ball but thank goodness it didn't become a habit. We were always getting knocked off the ball and they won an awful lot n the air, yet again we were bullied off the ball, whether that's down to inexperience, lack of physical maturity or lack of committment i'm not sure but until we start being able to shield and keep control of the ball we are always going to be losing it. Overall I thought the effort was there but we have a poor and disorganised defence and no real attack. It would be easy to single out individuals who perhaps didn't perform to the highest standard but for me the entire team need to toughen up and the manager needs to get a striker identified.

On a positive note, the only way is up!

Excellant reception here in Sussex, just a shame were one down! Thanks anyhow.

I wasn't going to bother posting as I new certain others would question it's authenticity and it's now somewhat old news but in support of nickh. I can confirm that KD did not want to leave, he protested that he was settled and happy here but was told he had little say in the matter and he had to go. Now before you ask i'm certainly not going to say whom, except that this come from one of his family members.

industrious boring youthful (inexperienced)

Oh dear, Oh dear. It's very sad, this team seemed to lack ideas, there were doing their best but frankly I was bored, and it's not very often, even when we are losing, that I say that. Strange as it sounds for me the player most likely to score was Stern, he was only on for what 10mins? but his whole demeanour and positioning seemed to me to be likely to cause them problems.

Some positives from this game Davis simply outstanding - how he ever got stick in the past from the so called fans i'll never know. Time and time again he proves to be our best player. Whilst we were lacking who knows what may have been the outcome but for the sending off, which for my money was harsh. We were starting to assert ourselves just went he went off. Upset any chance of a win. Still early days.

What those who seek to support or justify BWP actions or lack of are failing to grasp is the moral aspect. MORAL 1 a lesson about right or wrong that can be derived from a story or experience. 2 (morals) standards of behaviour, or principles of right and wrong. Whether he's convicted or not hardly seems the point. The point is what kind of example is he setting and has he shown any kind of remorse. The pictures don't lie, what you have is a young man and his mate/s, in an area of a club where they shouldn't be. BWP sees his mates then rummaging in another persons possessions. Amongst some of the posts on here I've read that BWP wasn't watching, oh hum, perhaps this lack of vision and intelligence goes some way to explaining his performances if you can call them that on the pitch. What did he think they were doing in the staff office? applying for jobs? (if only). No the whole point of this is that these young men were caught at it and BWP has been fortunate to be let off. Which ever way you put it they then had a moral obligation to assist the prosecuting authorities with furthering their enquiries. I.E. identifying those others present. The idea put forward by one poster, that perhaps he was on a night out and simply met up with these fellows is stretching things. The Police have said he refused to assist, not that he tried and was unable, nor that he gave info which led them no where, HE REFUSED. That says it all, so to those you back him up, the next time you engaged in some deep meaningful conversation regarding the judicial process and how it's better that ten guilty men go free than one innocent man be convicted, keep your wallet in your hand! If he never plays for us again it will be too soon.

Lets be fair to BWP, he is by any objective standard an average CC player who has consistently underperformed for us. Personally I am amazed with all the other changes over the past 12 months that he hasn't been let go either on a free or on loan. He is clearly a very lucky man to still be drawing the wage that he is. Added to this vein of good fortune is the news that he will not be convicted. He is clearly a criminal in so much as he's entered a private place (office) to which he had no right of access and at best has watched friends commit a burglary, at worst acted in concert, possibly acting as a lookout. No matter which way those apologists choose to portray it, this is a young man who earns more in one month than the national wage and presumably had no need other than for the thrill perhaps, to participate in the criminal act. Therefore he needs to be condemned, he should never wear the jersey again and as far as I'm concerned he can rot. Any possible sympathy I may have had went out the window with the news (widely reported) that he and Dyer refused to identify those others with them. Hants police are directly quoted in various rags that he and Dyer refused to cooperate in the identification of their "friends" and therefore BWP endorsed and condoned the their actions.

Pathetic, I mean the poor bloke has had numerous runins with stewards and who hasn't. Oh yeah thats right iv' been going 30ish years and never had a run in...so he's an idiot as far as i'm concerned.