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Think back to 1995 and the time Leah Betts died and the moral panic that followed. There was a public outcry about e's at the time.

Did they do the hand movements too?

I'd like them to have to explain their decisions more. I'd like hear how Clattenberg and Webb can justify both of those decisions. Both were as clear pens as you'll see, the ref had good views and both made the wrong call. It's not an easy job but you expect them to get the big decision right, especially when they effect the result. If the decisions they make influence the result then they should have to explain why they made them.

You obviously have. Champions league or nothing wasn't it?

And even if achieved the impossible and we didn't go down I'd still be left with the same hollow feeling at the end of the season that Swansea had last, a 9th placed finish and a cup win instead of finishing 6th would be so dull.

The Malaysian Mike Ashley?

Do you tell your therapist what he's doing wrong?

Surly you know all the details about what happened, you know everything there is to know about everything don't you?

Dunno, they had a few enemies. What better way to take out 5 main players in the Essex drug scene, 3 dead and two lifed off after being framed for their murder, the week after Leah Betts funeral when public anger was running high against E dealers so should there be any suspicion or leaks everyone would say they deserved it anyway. And Leah Betts dad was a former policeman.

Nicholls was the get away driver and the super grass, but someone else has since also claimed to have been the get away driver, but they have disappeared off the face of the earth and Nicholls got off with his offences and was given a new identity Rolfe was the driver of range rover and killed. He seems to be just a kid who got mixed up in those circles and got used a bit by the other two. Another thing that doesn't stack up is that during trial one of the defence witnesses claimed one of the defendants couldn't shoot and actually had a fear of guns after an accident when he was younger, however all three were clinically killed, shot in the head within seconds, definitely the work of a hit man and someone who had vast experience with guns. I've read loads on this, I really don't think the guys convicted did it, but the only people who will know for definite are the ones who did it or dead.

It's my opinion you prat.

Its impossible to compare one era with another one, so you think these 9 stone South Americans would have lasted 5 minutes on a winter pitch 2 inch deep in mud, a heavy ball and the 70s and 80s style midfield hardmen that every team had in those days?

Yes, I find all of it very interesting and have looked into this quite a bit over the years. Essex boys is also worth a watch and there was a good documentary on sky about it about 6 months ago. Th thing that stuck me about the killings was the professional nature, clearly a proper hit man, all killed instantly, Rolfe, the driver, didn't even have time to take his hands off the driving wheel. There was no forensic evidence left and they were convicted pet much solely on the evidence of a super grass who was facing charges for dealing Weed and constantly changed his Story. I really have felt for a long time that this might well have been a job done by British intelligence. The police at this time were under pressure, E's were massive, rife in night clubs, not mention raves. Leah Betts had died in the area from taking E and her funeral was only a week before these three, who were major players in the drug scene in Essex at the times, were taken out. The circumstances around it, the conviction of two other gangsters with at best, flimsy evidence and clinical nature of the hit make me think it was an intelligence job.

Fulham look in massive trouble, leaking goals. Today was the 6th time in their last 10 games they've conceded 3 goals or more.

You forgot Cattermole, Kevin Nolan and James Collins.

The away end will be terracing first, it'll give Cortese something else to spend the away fans fund on next season.

How many players have we seen kiss the club badge and declare their undying love for a club and it's fans only to move within a year?

I like craven cottage, decent old ground. I'm going to this one too and will be in the neutral end.

Am excellent article and if you check my posting history ive long been an advocate of clubs returning to 4-4-2 and calling for saints and England to do so. It won't be long before we see pacy wingers again and a big 'en and little 'en up top with team playing football how it should be, forgetting this poncey foreign tippy tap football and get it forrrrrrrrrrward, into the mixer nice and early.

One thing is for sure, when he comes back it'll be like having a new signing.

Should he get his place back after Chambers recent form?

So the consensus seems to be it is definitely someone who Is ginger and not very good?

Not far from Leeds. There is a cross fit club a few doors down from the gym I use at the moment, I hear lots about it and its meant to be very good.

* starts new thread 'is our defence better than man United'

I'm sure he absolutely clattered Stuart Pearce once too, was a 50/50 both went at it full blooded, franny got up and walked off, Pearce had to go off Used to often see him running and doing pull ups on the monkey bars at playground area in woodmill when I was a kid.