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Absolutely this forum is a serious business. Your thoughts?

You are quite boring Adriansfc but your points are well Made, albeit longwinded. It all goes back to the point though that we have be told and had it drummed into us for year and years not to see a colour but to see a person and I quite agree with that. Yet we have only WEEKS later the same people praising the achievement of ppeople due to their colour I find that highly hypocritical. I an just amazed Verbal, as the moderator of equality has not leapt to back me up. It's slightly strange considering he is so quick to appear when a race related issue is raised on here.

Stop making petty digs at Dune. Are you Condeming or supporting award ceremonies based purely on people's skin colour? Are you as someone, like myself, who sees people not skin colour prepared to call Paul Elliot and Mark Bright hypocrites for supporting awards based in skin colour yet at the same time preaching skin colour should not be an issue and we shouldn't discriminate or segregate based on skin colour?

Forget what went on in Ghana and Kenya 59 years ago. It is correct in 2011 Britain to have an awards ceremony based soley on the colour of peoples skin?

It's no wonder with a name like that.

I didnt' see too many league two players up their collecting their awards. And regardless of if there were a minority or not, the emphasis is on skin colour. When we are constantly and rightly told skin colour doesn't matter.

Where are Verbal, BTF, Saintsandy666, Joneus and Super Mikey? They usually have plenty to say when it comes to race related issues.

So do you agree or not that it is hypocritical for people like Paul Elliott on the one hand to support award ceremonies that focus on skin colour then to tell people that skin colour shouldn't be an issue when it suits their crusade? Do you agree or not that we should see people, not skin colours and awards celebrating achievements based on skin colour is focusing on skin colour not that they are people who are no better or worse than someone of another skin colour?

It's not really a lie, because just like i've met hundreds of people who know a Richard Head but never met one, i've met hundreds of people that know a Wayne King, i've just never met one.

No. I dont really know a bloke called Wayne King, but i am sure someone does.

So you agree then that these awards are wrong? If it is correct how can Paul Elliott and Mark Bright support the black players award one week, then the following week say that we shouldn't discriminate and differentiate based on skin colour? Is that not hypocritical? And your further point is correct. But if white players got together and announced a whites only player award to celebreate white peoples contrbution to football, there would be outrage. I expect Paul Elliott and Mark Bright would be the ones shouting the loudest.

I know a bloke called Wayne King, lol, PMSL, FAF etc etc

THEY? What do you mean THEY? Are you differentiating people due to their skin colour? And Celebreating what? That a black player scored 20 goals in a season? That a black player won 10 international caps. WHy does it matter what their skin colour is? OUr anti racism campaigns tell us it doesn't, why does it matter now?

Why? It's making an issue of skin colour. Why not just have Player of the year awards like we do. Why bring skin colour into it?

The black player awards. We are told to celebrate the achievements of people based on their skin colour. Some of you are too blind to see it but we have all these, very commendable and accurate, anti racism campaigns tell us everyone is equal, skin colour shouldn't matter. The same people that tell us not to judge on skin colour and how bad it is to do that are championing these awards. It doesn't seem to apply in this instance. It is making an issue of skin colour when we shouldn't do.

that;s the one, you can see down into the garden as you walk down towards it. I sometimes pop in there after football on the way back up town. Nice bar.

But we are told in anti racist campaigns everyone is equal and to see a footballer and a person. yet now we are being told to praise people based on skin colour. Ironically by the same people that tell us everyone is equal and not to make judgements and differentiate based on this. It's all very confusing.

You should try the one in St Marys Street, name escapes me for a minute, very good bar.

What's your view in The Black players awards verbal? You must have one. Right or wrong, given we are told to see people not skin colour.

What's your view on the issue discussed Andy? You've got an opinion on everything kid.

This is workable.

Have we established a cut off point yet? I'm going with maple Sugar. Dune you're in luck pal, get that fake tan on, I can see you up there with Paul Elliott praising black players contribution to football and then the following week saying skin colour doesn't matter.

Just all me Guy Richie. I did a bit of archery last Friday I'll have you know.

I'd have thought you'd have done all you can to be sugar cookie. Leave the fake tan in Boots mate.