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Oh look it's turned into one of those discussions again. I'd love to had had Di Canio here as a player, he was a fantastic footballer.

For whatever reason is seems high profile English black players have failed badly as managers. Ince & John Barnes two stand out names. I dont know the reason why but certainly 20 years ago when i was watching football as a teenager there were only ever one or two black players per side, in the modern game the proportion is much higher. Look at the England squad for 96 Euros and there are only 3 black players, Sol Campbell is still playing, Ince is a manager (sort of) and Les Ferdinand has gone into media work, based on that ratio 50% of of cream of English players from the mid 90's (who have retired) are now in management, this is actually very high proportion looking at it this way. The England squad to face Ghana & Wales had 7 black players in it. I guess that although the proportion of black players playing now is higher, the ones who are retiring and of management age is still relatively low.

Personally i find the whole "we need to help them" agenda quite patronising. Firstly its making skin colour and race and issue just by saying that black managers need help. I certainly didn't sit there one day and think "f*ck me, there are only two black managers in the whole of English football, why dont the FA do something about it?" It's the FA and ironically Paul Ince who have been the most vocal about it all who are making an issue of it. In Inces case he has nothing to moan about, he got his chance at Blackburn and was a spectular faliure, in fact when he got the job i dont think he even had a UEFA coaching badge which is a requirement to manager in England so was given additional assistance to buck the system. he should spend less time gobbing off and more time trying to become a better manager. But it is proof that if a manager is considered good enough he'll get the chance. Secondly, why do they need help? Why shold the process be made easier or quicker depending on what skin colour you are? Why should certain people be cherry picked? I know the FA will feel like they need their quota of non white managers but they should be encouraging all top English players that would make decent managers to consider it when their playing days are over and concentrating on producing decent English managers for the future, not decent black or white managers.

What was he going on about? All patronising, we need to help them, we need to encourage black managers etc, How about lets forget about their colour and just try and develop a load of decent English managers who can manage well in the top flight in our leagues, the champions league and international level, regardless of if they are Black, White, Asian or Chinese origin?

I am sure there are good ones around. Ruud Guillt and Jean Tigana have done okay and managed top flight English clubs, but the ones in the league at the moment are doing fantastically badly. Chris Powell has managed to take play off placed Charlton into midtable mediority and just won their first match in 10 games. Ince was given his chance in top flight with Blackburn and failed. He has been fantastically sh*t everywhere he has gone since then. The fact that Blackburn gave him a chance is compelling evidence that black managers do get a chance, in fact its arguable that there were better white managers in the championship and league one who had a better CV for the Blackburn job than Ince. A lot on here wont like this but all this "they need more help" is just more PC bol*ocks. They dont need help and it's patronising to say they do. If black ex players want to become managers then they can do so and Ince is proof that you can get a top flight job with an average managerial CV.

I like West Ham, proper club and probably the nearest thing there is out there to Saints. I hope they stay up even though Avram is a bellend. Got to be Wigan, is there a more pointless club? Crowds of 15k in the premier league and made off the wealth of one bloke, Blackpool, Holloway has become a bellend and Blackburn, not liked them since Jack Walker bought them the league and used to see people walking round town in Blackburn shirts who had never even been within 200 miles of the place.

Terrible manager and complete cock. Anyone that labels themselves "the guvnor" is a bellend.

Intersting that this comes in the week the FA were saying we need more black managers Obviously Ince has been sacked because he is black, not because he has been monumentally sh*t at yet another club.

I arrive at the game 10 to 15 minutes after kick off as nothing usually happens in the first 15 minutes, take my seat, go down for a p*ss after 30 minutes and then i can beat the queues for the pies, burgers and beers. Stuff my face with as much as i can eat and drink during during half time. Tend to wait until 60 minutes before going back up so the crowds downstairs have died down and i dont have to queue to get back to my seat, i'm usually there in time to boo our substitutes onto the pitch and leave on 80 minutes so i can get home in time for Think you can Dance. It's what saturdays are made for.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/h/huddersfield_town/fixtures/default.stm http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/s/southampton/fixtures/default.stm http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/p/peterborough_united/fixtures/default.stm I'd take our run in over the other two. Our last two games are against teams that could already be down.

She tried, but with gash like a wizards sleeve it was never going to be believable.

Isn't it great that he has more in his locker than just that Jonno Quick speed? I applaud Forte not for not just being another Theo Walcott (ie a sprinter with no football brain which is what many on here think according to that thread) but has fantastic positioning in the box and a great finisher and composure when the pressure is on, two chances two goals in a vital game, enough said.

How do you know? People were saying at the start of the season we were stupid not to sign any wide players because we cant depend on a 17 year old. How can you judge someone on 6 substitute appearances which now have produced an impresive return of 2 goals in a vital game. He was signed as the cover player everyone was crying for, he is just that and has now wieghed in with two vital goals. I would say based on that he is the solution people were crying for.

My birds nickname is the Grand Old Duke of York. Because she's had 10,000 men.

If we come back from two nil down and win this, poke out my eyes and age me 70 years.

exactly Jamie. People were crying earlier in the season that we needed back up and had no options and pace on the bench, we get options and pace, the lad comes on scores two and changes the game and people are still not happy.

Didn't hear it, what did he say?

Well some of us get p*ssd off with the whipping boy mentality of some of our fans. Today it's Chaplow. Many on here aren't happy unless they have player to slag off. Gully, Hammond, Jaidi & Forte have all been the boo boys dariling this season yet all proved them wrong. Forte was getting slagged off after two 10 minute subsitute appearances FFS!!

This for me, we all know how skillful he is but his desire and commitment was first class today. He was knackered at the end, yet still sprinted chasing players down when MK had a corner on 90 mins, then sprited to run the ball into the corner just after, fantastic to see that desire and work rate.

yet you cared enough to post on it. So obviously you are one of the ones that do.

I can understand it away from home, the idea being to keep it tight in midfield nad norrow the game and keep posession but at home i dont understand it. Surely when we need to break teams down we need width tp spread the game and also get whipped crosses coming into the box. To play it the dimond properly you need two good attacking full backs who are able to get down the line and get crosses in, of our full backs who can do this, one of those was on the bench and the other was not even in the squad. Hardings crossing was awful, in the first half every cross went straight to their keeper, he offered little going forward. The diamond can work if you have the full backs to play it, but the ones we have who are best suited to this formation are both out of favour at the moment. We have always looked better flating with a normal midfield 4.

I think you'lll see on the league one show that the first goal was anything but straighforward, great turn and finish, the second admittedly was harder to miss than score. Work to be done but showed his potential and pleasingly his goals were not just using that Jonno Quick pace but needed a bit of guile and composure as well.

A lot of fans on his back from day one. Proffesor is one on here that stands out from memory as slating the guy after two 10 minute subsitute appearances saying what a poor signing he was. There were plenty of others on here as well.

bloody hell, that was in about 2002 wasn't it?

Be interesting if they mention the 3.5k we will have travelling further next week and also the fact that we could have probably double the amount we are taking if tickets were available. Can someone post it on here, i'll be in Orient.